Granada

[ForzaA]

Granada and Iberia

the first event, with all it's various responses and outcomes,
that sets Granada's general stance towards the catholics.

Basic outline for Granada's events:

15th Century (christian )
Unification of Iberia, or withdrawal (TODO: probably they will then focus on N-Africa sooner)
Early 16th:
settlement of the religious issues (partly intertwined with the unification question)
some minor exploration issues
Late 16th-Early 17th:
colonisation, conflict with N-africans about African colonisation: war ( or look west )
17th:
renewed Muslim-Catholic conflict, with internal minorities AND/OR N-Iberians AND/OR French
18th:
"bankruptcy"of the non-innovative ways (does not apply if they chose innovative, ie. peacefull settlement of religious conflict in the early 16th AND/OR 17th century)
OR the foundation of a new grand state that may well become the envy of europe (incase they chose the innovative way)
19th:
Who knows, anyone have a Napoléon in mind?

 

[TheArchduke]

First draft of grenadian events.

 

[ForzaA]

Comments please, before I write another event that takes days

 

[artemis667]

Comments please, before I write another event that takes days

These events look great to me

It would be interesting to see a point where Granada and Morocco competed for dominance over the other, as well...

 

[ForzaA]

These events look great to me

It would be interesting to see a point where Granada and Morocco competed for dominance over the other, as well...

Late 16th-Early 17th:
colonisation, conflict with N-africans about African colonisation: war ( or look west )

 

[ForzaA]

Granada:

army:
Currently:
20/10/0 in Granada

suggested:
10/5/0 in Castilia
10/5/0 in Tago
10/0/0 in Granada

navy:
Currently:
20/0/5 in Tangiers

suggested:
10/0/5 in Tangiers
10/20/0 in Murcia

DP:
Currently:
7/4/3/9/5/4/2/7

suggested:
7/3/3/9/6/6/4/7

Léon, Porto, Asturias:
currently no army, all 8/2/0 in capital(435,434,432 respectively) (makes the total "score" 30/10/0 vs 24/6/0)

Porto: gain knowledge of 976 OR lose the Azores as a city OR abandon Oporto when captured##comments please ##

Basetax changes:
Leon (435) +3 from 5 to 8
Castilla (436) -1 from 11 to 10
Catalonia (429) -1 from 13 to 12
Gerona (427) +1 from 4 to 5
Tago (441) -1 from 12 to 11
Galicia (433) +1 from 5 to 6
Gibraltar (445) +1 from 7 to 8

##note, mostly to self, events happen only once, even if trigger multiple times##

 

[Nikolai II]

@ForzaA: Are you still working on this, or would it be OK for me to try to mess around with Granada? (Tweaking around with events and leaders a bit)

 

[TheArchduke]

Forzaa is still working on it, but feel free to roam about, help is always appreciated.

 

[TheArchduke]

Ah yes, Forzaa will implent your changes in this weekend´s version.

 

[Nikolai II]

Forzaa is still working on it, but feel free to roam about, help is always appreciated.

Nah, I need artistic freedom

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I had some thoughts about spinning more on the three paths and make them count,
'normal conquest' - a few CBs in iberia and later get some conquistadors (for africa) and once the 'conquest is completed' get some CBs in North Africa and one or two free conversions.
'jihad' - plenty of CBs in iberia, (all iberian-cultured provinces), revolt risk(small), stab hit(minor), move towards narrowminded, quantity, land.
Once 'conquest is completed' gain 3-4 free conversions (with population losses and events for a few christian nations to get refugees) and maybe Morocco as vassal.
'peaceful' - loose CBs in northern iberia, cash hit, + innovative, - serfdom
Once 'peace is achieved' liberate several christians and secede several provinces. Choose between a couple of manufactories(mercantilism and plutocrat) or 'inheriting' some RL Spanish explorers (al-Colombo)(no conquis)

But as said - If ForzaA is working on his own history already he'll probably have planned out a history of his own already..

 

[ForzaA]

Nah, I need artistic freedom

.

I had some thoughts about spinning more on the three paths and make them count,
'normal conquest' - a few CBs in iberia and later get some conquistadors (for africa) and once the 'conquest is completed' get some CBs in North Africa and one or two free conversions.
'jihad' - plenty of CBs in iberia, (all iberian-cultured provinces), revolt risk(small), stab hit(minor), move towards narrowminded, quantity, land.
Once 'conquest is completed' gain 3-4 free conversions (with population losses and events for a few christian nations to get refugees) and maybe Morocco as vassal.
'peaceful' - loose CBs in northern iberia, cash hit, + innovative, - serfdom
Once 'peace is achieved' liberate several christians and secede several provinces. Choose between a couple of manufactories(mercantilism and plutocrat) or 'inheriting' some RL Spanish explorers (al-Colombo)(no conquis)

But as said - If ForzaA is working on his own history already he'll probably have planned out a history of his own already..

I KNEW I should've worn that tinfoil hat :rofl:
those look a LOT like what I'm working on

 

[Nikolai II]

I KNEW I should've worn that tinfoil hat :rofl:
those look a LOT like what I'm working on

Great Then maybe I can fiddle with your events anyway - er, I mean, think suggestions in you direction

 

[ForzaA]

Great Then maybe I can fiddle with your events anyway - er, I mean, think suggestions in you direction

allright, think aloud here, or think to ICQ #112746755

(I decided to dust of my tinfoil hat and wear it afterall )

 

[Nikolai II]

(I decided to dust of my tinfoil hat and wear it afterall )

Your reception problems are more likely based on the fact that I started thinking about the Union of Kalmar instead

Most of my thinking so far was somewhat along the event already present, but slightly modified:

event = {
	id = 200510
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			war = { country = GRA country = LEO } #Léon
			war = { country = GRA country = ASU } #Asturias
			war = { country = GRA country = PRT } #Porto
			}
		}
	random = no
	country = GRA
	name = "The conquest of Iberia"
	desc = "Once again we are at war with the Christians of northern Iberia, what should we do to rid ourselves of this problem?"
	date = { year = 1419 }			
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { year = 1500 }
	action_a = { #continue the conquests
		name = "Finalize the conquest"
#		command = { type = setflag which = RelCon_norm } ### religious conflict: normal No flag - this is default option.
#		command = { type = setflag which = Conquest_cntd } ### conquest continued ( ->GRA 200529 ) No flag - default option
		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }#
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }# Galicia,Asturias, Cantabria
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }# 	
		command = { type = trigger which = 200511 }##
		command = { type = trigger which = 200512 }##
		command = { type = trigger which = 200513 }## reaction events for the northern Iberians, and for others (European powers)
		command = { type = trigger which = 200514 }##
		command = { type = trigger which = 200515 }##
		command = { type = trigger which = 200516 }##
	}
	action_b = { #this means Jihad!
		name = "Call for a Jihad against the infidels!"
		command = { type = setflag which = Option_jihad } ### religious conflict: Hardline
		command = { type = stability value = -3 } # Great unrest
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 48 value = 3 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 431 }#
		command = { type = addcore which = 432 }# Galicia,Asturias, Cantabria, Gerona, Navarra
		command = { type = addcore which = 433 }# -some benefit in exchange for being hardline, I'd say-
		command = { type = addcore which = 427 }# 
		command = { type = addcore which = 428 }# 
		command = { type = trigger which = 200517 }## reaction events for the northern Iberians, and for others (European powers) STRONG version
		command = { type = trigger which = 200518 }## support events for muslems (N-africa)
		command = { type = trigger which = 200519 }## 
		command = { type = revolt which = 441 }### 
		command = { type = revolt which = 440 }### Jihad, scary for the Iberians, esp. catholic Iberians
		command = { type = revolt which = 436 }### Tago, Estramadura, Castilla
		command = { type = religiousrevolt which =-1 }###
		command = { type = religiousrevolt which =-1 }###
		command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 10000 }
		command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 3000 }
		command = { type = relation which = MOR value = 25 }####Positive relations with N-africans
		command = { type = relation which = FEZ value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = ALD value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = LEO value = -50 }#####negative relations with North Iberians
		command = { type = relation which = ASU value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PRT value = -50 }
	}
	action_c = { #Promote peace
		name = "Let us share Ibera with the christians"
		command = { type = setflag which = Option_peace } ### religious conflict: peaceful solution
		command = { type = removecore which = 434 } # Oporto
		command = { type = removecore which = 435 } # Léon
		command = { type = removecore which = 441 } # Tago
		command = { type = removecore which = 430 } # Aragon
		command = { type = removecore which = 429 } # Catalonia
		command = { type = provincetax which = 442 value = 1 } #Algarve
		command = { type = provincetax which = 439 value = 1 } #Toledo
		command = { type = provincetax which = 437 value = 1 } #Valencia
		command = { type = provincetax which = 444 value = 2 } #Granada
		command = { type = domestic which= innovative value = 1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = 445 }### Some _wanted_ a jihad
		command = { type = revolt which = 732 }### 
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 48 value = 4 }###
#		command = { type = sleepevent which = 200529 }# Can be managed with flags in triggers instead of sleepevents
#		command = { type = sleepevent which = 200530 }#Conquest of Al-Andalus
	}
}

This is about how I figured event 1. (Option C gets it's payback in early explorers, a very valuable commodity, option B gets it's cost from the upgraded reactions that I'll also revise)

 

[TheArchduke]

I am tempted to ally the iberian minors from startup, bad idea?

 

[Nikolai II]

I am tempted to ally the iberian minors from startup, bad idea?

I only played Grenada once - but it felt harder with them not allied, since they could then make friends outside of iberia giving me more enemies that romped around.

If the three are allied to each others they will have a harder time attracting new allies I think..

 

[TheArchduke]

You got a point, ok we keep it as it is.

 

[Nikolai II]

You got a point, ok we keep it as it is.

At least for now

 

[Medicine Man]

Just a small note -- I think the AI Granada needs some help smushing the Iberian minors. Leaders would probably help (obvious) and some temporary CBs may also be reasonable. Just my opinion.

I was also wondering if you would mind, ForzaA, if I were to submit a few ideas for Granada events. Some truly warped and twisted ideas popped into my head while I was eating my lunch and I nearly gagged on my peanut butter and jam sandwich. Clearing these thoughts out is going to be important to my digestion.

If you are willing to entertain some ideas, do let me know what IDs I should be using. 200531-xx?? Later?

Cheers.

 

[TheArchduke]

Just go ahead, I will evaluate them!