Grand Culture Mod (Thread 2: Continuation of Finellach's)

[Dragula]

In the Grand Culture Mode the reasoning behind merging the Scandanavian cultures into one Nordic culture is because of the lack of culture tags in general, and for no other reasons. The moder here, and moders elsewhere, and those that have and do play this version and successor modes, have all come to the conclusion that for their style of play there was a need for the culture tags to be represented elsewhere on the map. It was and is generally considered that the Nordic countries were close enough culturally to be represented as one culture, allowing for other much needed cultures elsewhere.

Ah, I was not aware of that, thank you for clearing this up.

 

[Drachenfire]

However we do have the right to input constructive criticism, seeing as this is an open forum.



I never demanded anything? I mereley pointed out a great factual error.


Gazing through this thread I've seen at least 3 pointing out errors.

Constructive criticism is always welcome. However, this particular mode is not active anymore, so criticism here is misplaced here. Rather, the successors are Veld's Alternative mode and Jord's DV Improvement Pack/ More Kingdoms Mode (see my signature). Those should be the modes you should play (they are both greatly up-to-date!) as no one answers this thread anymore, except Community Vets like Veld and Jord.

But remember, not every nuiance of cultures can be represented, as much as they deserve to, and criticism should be taken into context with what is possible here. I should know, I've criticised the lack of female inheritance for ..... how long now Veld? lol..... years now! Only recently do we now have hope!

 

[Coinneach]

why not have Brythonic or Briton culture rather than british? And could the Irish and Scottish tags not be merged into gaelic/goidelic? The latter would not represent a later split though.

and why, in the last scenario - is a part of scotland english? :wacko: makes no sense whatsoever - yes the royal burghs had an effect on the east coast culture, but they were a minority population wise. If anything, the flemish traders had just as much influence.

 

[Drachenfire]

why not have Brythonic or Briton culture rather than british? And could the Irish and Scottish tags not be merged into gaelic/goidelic? The latter would not represent a later split though.

and why, in the last scenario - is a part of scotland english? :wacko: makes no sense whatsoever - yes the royal burghs had an effect on the east coast culture, but they were a minority population wise. If anything, the flemish traders had just as much influence.

Refer to my earlier comments on the status of the thread. In DVIP / More Kingdoms Mode, and in the Alternate Scenario Mode, the successors to this, other choices has been taken.

The latter scenarios are the least updated however. In More Kingdoms mode Gaelic does represent a mergered Irish and Scottish Gaelic, and Veld's Alternative Mode has Norse-Gaelic too! In both, I believe that Welsh is still Welsh, while Celtic tag represents Breton and Cornish.

So it becomes what you chose. I no longer recommend the DVIP as much because of the use of 'Lowland Scottish' as a culture name, amongst other choices. Instead, I play Jord's DVIP: More Kingdoms Mode most often (Scottish there represents Anglo-Scottish.), and Veld's Alternative Mode. Both are up-to-date and ready to go! I recommend either of those very much!

See my signature for links.

 

[Calgacus]

Refer to my earlier comments on the status of the thread. In DVIP / More Kingdoms Mode, and in the Alternate Scenario Mode, the successors to this, other choices has been taken.

The latter scenarios are the least updated however. In More Kingdoms mode Gaelic does represent a mergered Irish and Scottish Gaelic, and Veld's Alternative Mode has Norse-Gaelic too! In both, I believe that Welsh is still Welsh, while Celtic tag represents Breton and Cornish.

So it becomes what you chose. I no longer recommend the DVIP as much because of the use of 'Lowland Scottish' as a culture name, amongst other choices. Instead, I play Jord's DVIP: More Kingdoms Mode most often (Scottish there represents Anglo-Scottish.), and Veld's Alternative Mode. Both are up-to-date and ready to go! I recommend either of those very much!

See my signature for links.

Pitching in here because the aforementioned advice isn't helpful.

Drachen, that's ludicrous commentary, if you don't mind me saying. I can't see why you like to make such a big deal of that, when it's 1) complete and utter historical nonsense and 2) can be changed with one simple text-edit. As far as I checked though, his latest version has "Scottish" to represent some culture (don't know what) in medieval Scotland, and no "Lowland Scottish" is present.

I personally use DVIP as the changes there are more conservative and level-headed. He has, as was mentioned, the More Kingdoms Mode which changes the game more radically. If you want radical changes the best thing to do would be to browse the change logs of both mods and see which one you'd prefer.

 

[Drachenfire]

Pitching in here because the aforementioned advice isn't helpful.

Drachen, that's ludicrous commentary, if you don't mind me saying. I can't see why you like to make such a big deal of that, when it's 1) complete and utter historical nonsense and 2) can be changed with one simple text-edit. As far as I checked though, his latest version has "Scottish" to represent some culture (don't know what) in medieval Scotland, and no "Lowland Scottish" is present.

I personally use DVIP as the changes there are more conservative and level-headed. He has, as was mentioned, the More Kingdoms Mode which changes the game more radically. If you want radical changes the best thing to do would be to browse the change logs of both mods and see which one you'd prefer.

Cal, we've been through this before already. How can you find fault with my comment, when I have said the same thing? Its a matter of preference.

Jord and I, and others, primarily play More Kingdoms. We and others agree, that we want the Scottish culture to represent what we recognize as the Anglo-Scottish culture, with a Anglo-Scottish naming list recognizable to most casual players. Not 'Lowlander Scottish'. As far as cultures in Scotland go, we like how it is set up in More Kingdoms and is exactly as intended.

My 'unhelpful' commentary was to inform the poster that there are two varities of the same mode. As Jord and I primarily play More Kingdoms we feel it is the more correct version to play. It is the one that I recommend.

Yes, yes. I know your agument. You need not go into it over and over again.

 

[jordarkelf]

Guys, the difference between the DVIP and More Kingdoms is really small... More Kingdoms has more recreatable kingdoms, and has some minor differences in realm setup. The most noticable of these is Brittany in 1066 - DVIP has Hoel as Duke, MK has him as duke-consort.
There is no difference in the culture setup or anything. I can guarantee you both that Scotland -- asides from the kingdom setup -- is identical in both versions. If it is not, it only means I messed up something when splitting the two versions!

Essentially 'More Kingdoms' (or rather just the Addon) is the game I actually play, with additional changes, whereas the DVIP is intended to be a base mod for CKV that only increases the historicality of the scenarios and has bugfixes.


If all that matters is the displayed name of the culture represented by the 'scottish' tag -- just open config\world_names.csv and change line 7.

 

[Calgacus]

If all that matters is the displayed name of the culture represented by the 'scottish' tag -- just open config\world_names.csv and change line 7.

Exactly.

Cal, we've been through this before already. How can you find fault with my comment, when I have said the same thing? Its a matter of preference.

Jord and I, and others, primarily play More Kingdoms. We and others agree, that we want the Scottish culture to represent what we recognize as the Anglo-Scottish culture, with a Anglo-Scottish naming list recognizable to most casual players. Not 'Lowlander Scottish'. As far as cultures in Scotland go, we like how it is set up in More Kingdoms and is exactly as intended.

My 'unhelpful' commentary was to inform the poster that there are two varities of the same mode. As Jord and I primarily play More Kingdoms we feel it is the more correct version to play. It is the one that I recommend.

Yes, yes. I know your agument. You need not go into it over and over again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard it before, and you've heard me telling you why it's wrong before. No need to go over it. But funny ... you were telling someone completely neutral to avoid a mod because you have some "preference" problem with one line of text. I respond to balance comments that lack integrity. Sorry if that bothers you.

 

[Drachenfire]

Exactly.



Yeah, yeah, yeah ... I respond to balance comments that lack integrity. Sorry if that bothers you.

Lacks integrity? lol. Ok Cal. lol.