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As said in this thread Greece needs some tweaks.
Here are my preliminary suggestions from what the thread said and my own ideas:
Edit border priorities for AI Greece
Replace Venizelos with Michael Passaris
Possibly edit unit names
Add IC to Athens, Patras (a major industrial area with 0 IC) and Salonika, giving Greece a total of 20 IC
Tech teams: Rename Infantry Applications School
Add Scholi Nautikon Dokimon (Skill 4-5 naval strategy)
Rename shipyard Skaramanga Naval Yard, skill 5-6. Maybe a 1936 start date for it too?
Add one unit of Int-1
Make the Averof a CA
Claims on Vlore, Istanbul, Bursa and Izmir. No claims on Skopje.
 
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That sounds good and fair.
 
Alexius55 said:
Odysseus- or in modern Greek Odysseas. Ulysses is Latin.

I might well do that, though.
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you should also add Telemakos, Penelope, etc etc :rofl: :rofl:
sorry but I just read the Odyssey.
you could also name one the Homer :)
 
rcduggan said:
you should also add Telemakos, Penelope, etc etc :rofl: :rofl:
sorry but I just read the Odyssey.
you could also name one the Homer :)
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As far as that goes:
Battleship classes = cities- Kilkis, Athinai, Patras, Kalamata, Khalkis, Korinthos, Thessaloniki, etc...
Battlecruiser classes = islands- Limnos, Ydra, Spetses, Chios, Tinos, Evia, Kriti,
CA classes = Homeric- Odysseas, Achilleas, Agamemnon, Menelaos, Aias, Nestor...
CL classes = mythical women- Elli (existing),Clytemnestra, Electra, Ariadne, Penelope, Leda,
DD classes = types of nymph- Dryas, Naias, Hamadryas, Oreas, Limnas, Oceanis, Hesperis...
SS classes = admirals- Katsonis, Papanicolis, Miaoulis, Kanaris. Also perhaps sea deities
CV classes= Ancient historical figures. Socrates, Plato, Megas Alexandros, Aristotelis, Themistocles, Leonidas, Pericles...
 
No claims on Skopje? Why...? I would add entire Macedona, and southern Albania as well...

Ahh, this topic reminds me my best HoI1 game - as Greece of course. I've captured Albania, then managed to annex Liberia and make peace with USA. Then I started to prepare for an Italian invasion boulding Inf, Mil and coastal fortifications, but because of annexation of Albania, they didn't touch me. In the meantime I annexed Bulgaria. Then - 1,5 year war with Turkey! And invasion of Sicily... Man, that was something. But everytime I was trying to achieve something more, capturing Yugoslavia for example, it wasn't that exciting as it was for the first time.
 
Akaki said:
No claims on Skopje? Why...? I would add entire Macedona, and southern Albania as well...

Ahh, this topic reminds me my best HoI1 game - as Greece of course. I've captured Albania, then managed to annex Liberia and make peace with USA. Then I started to prepare for an Italian invasion boulding Inf, Mil and coastal fortifications, but because of annexation of Albania, they didn't touch me. In the meantime I annexed Bulgaria. Then - 1,5 year war with Turkey! And invasion of Sicily... Man, that was something. But everytime I was trying to achieve something more, capturing Yugoslavia for example, it wasn't that exciting as it was for the first time.
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Southern Albania is in there (Vlore). And as for Macedonia, there was never any question of it being Greek territory. The dispute was over its use of the name "Macedonia"- which the Greek government claims is an area of Northern Greece.
 
Greece should not have claims on skopje or stip, on the grounds that the naming dispute arose well after the end of WWII, and that it is a naming dispute, not a territorial one.

Also greece should get back a VP in Crete. I don't get why "crazy"places that nobody would care occupying (like skopje) have VPs and not the most strategicaly placed island in the eastern mediteranian, for which germany suffer substantial casualties hasn't.

Furthermore, the fortifications in the greco-albanian border should be fewer (if they are 5 in thessaloniki they should be 2 in ioanina), BUT the area must be changed into a mountain (another thing i don't get, some 1000meter tall hills are called mountains in HOI2, but greek mountains nearly 3000m tall are treated as hills. Also It should be possible for armies to move among greek mainland and all the islands except crete without a transport.

Finaly the most important change is the political allignment of Metaxas, from Social Conservative to either Fascist or Paternal Autocrat. Again, the government WAS social conservative before metaxas, who overthrew it during the 4th of august coup and imposed a dictatorship.
 
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Hey what about metaxas line which didnt existed on border with albania but on all border with bulgaria(kavala should have land forts).Second do you agree that edessa cannot be attacked from gorne dzumale(as i know metaxas line was flanked by moving through yugoslav territory as metaxas line protected greece from bulgaria).Also for improvement do you have some photos of greece army (i have only some infrantry and mountain pics along with captured cv33 and artillery).More what do you think of that Yugoslavia should have chance of attacking Italians in albania before april war.You probably know of bitol crisis after bombardment of bitol.Also as i know yugoslavia sent some help to greece regarding artillery ammunition and horses.What you think about that?
 
Orionorbit: Yay you're here!
Yes Crete needs its VP back, so there can be a Battle of Crete...
And I think the VP in Skopje could either be a relic of a Macedonia revolter that no longer exists or a policy that all modern-day capitals (or at least those in Europe) have a VP.
Lord Nil: A "Yugoslavia sends supplies" event could be put in: Yugo can choose to send them or not, if they send them they lose 500 supplies and it triggers an event that gives Greece 500 supplies (or maybe 499, damn bandits :))
I don't have any photos, but graphics will (eventually) be taken care of by SKIF.As for attacks and Metaxas line, Edessa has 5 fortifications (I think, if not then it will). The flanking of the metaxas line could be simulated by an attack through Stip and Skopje to Ioannina (fortified, but not Metaxas line).
 
Alexius55 said:
Orionorbit: Yay you're here!
Yes Crete needs its VP back, so there can be a Battle of Crete...
And I think the VP in Skopje could either be a relic of a Macedonia revolter that no longer exists or a policy that all modern-day capitals (or at least those in Europe) have a VP.
Lord Nil: A "Yugoslavia sends supplies" event could be put in: Yugo can choose to send them or not, if they send them they lose 500 supplies and it triggers an event that gives Greece 500 supplies (or maybe 499, damn bandits :))
I don't have any photos, but graphics will (eventually) be taken care of by SKIF.As for attacks and Metaxas line, Edessa has 5 fortifications (I think, if not then it will). The flanking of the metaxas line could be simulated by an attack through Stip and Skopje to Ioannina (fortified, but not Metaxas line).
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You see I read a book about military operations in ww2 old yugoslav publisher.In it i first heard of metaxas line.I heard several more time about i was and i heard it was made for protection against bulgaria during pre ww2 years.In the book it standended admirably to ge invasion and it consisted of several big forts which were planted on key places(there were not good as magino forts but were better of finns).They were equipped wit
h at guns and anti infrantry weapons.The germans initial assaults from bulgaria proved inadeqate and even with special assault units they did little(except in one forth north of kavala i cannot remember name).Anyway in book greek still have a good situation in time while yugoslav were still fighting in macedonia(Strumica and Sumadijska divizija) but as the yugoslav resistance collapsed greek saw a danger from germans moving through yugoslav territory outflanking me line).they moved their reserves(1 motorised division and i 1 or 2 infrantry) but germans defeated them and all hell broken loose.With outflanked me line greek units who were performing offensive in albania found themselves with endengared rear and they started to retreat...Anyway despite i looked for it in book i didnt found any trace of permanent forts in south of albania(edessa).Greeks didnt built them because nobody hoped that danger will come from albania...But this issue is opened as very little people here in serbia know for it so i cant discuss.When i was in greece i asked some of your soldiers but they also didnt heard for it...
New proposed event-Britsh high command had a plan that a quick offensive in albania by combined forces of yu and gre would lead to quick defeat of italians and that by releasing troops and using their equipment greeks and yugoslavs would have a chanse...We cold make event that if italian lose tirana greek and yug should receive div or some upgrades or brigade...In reality greeks soon stopped offensiveised and yugoslavs units were disorganised in attack or destroyed (in macedonia).But they give a valiant fight and surrendered on 22 april when italians told them that yu army capitulated week ago...Yugoslav operations in april war gave some results only in albania
 
I likewhat has been changed so far, but is there a way that it is possible to re do the battle of crete (5000 or so germans died out of only 8000) since it didn'thappen with "official" troops except for some anzacs. Also, maybe an eent for kidnapping of an important german general. Actually happened, forgot his name though. (tries to write something in greek but comp doesn't support it) :( :mad:
 
wilegfass: An event to create garrison divisions in Crete once it is the capital could be a possibility. And as for General Kreipe being kidnapped by the SOE, he doesn't exist ingame, and was only a Major-General.
 
geia!!!

I'm very happy to see that someone is looking the situation in Greece. I have to shout loud that Ioannina is a MOUNTAINOUS territtory (since Ioannina is the place I come from ;) ). I also hope we can change the automatic translation of "Greek army" to "Ellenas Stratos"!!! But that is something only greeks care for... I don't know if all these suggestions are heard by paradox programmers so we could have a better HoI4. If this is the case I'll come back with more ideas.

Happy to found you. :rolleyes:
 
Keep an eye on the other topic for some interresting comments.
By the way there should be some events for the greek civil war. We could start by introducing an event where greece gets the choice of running an independent policy from the allies, in which case the civil war would be avoided and a social liberal cabinet under Georgios Papandreou (not sure about this) would be formed. with greece moving to isolationism and quitting the allies.
 
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