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HABEMVS PAPAM! Papal States and Catholicism overhaul, and much more!

Van Kasten · 2018-12-18T15:04:49+00:00

Hello there! This thread is something I anticipated for a long time. I wanted to post it before, but I decided to wait for today's dev diary before. Central Italy was perhaps the most dynamic part of Italy during the first half of EU4's timeframe, and I want the game to better represent that. Now, what are the current problems with Central Italy (and with the Papal States in particular): - centralized Papal States in 1444 -> extremely ahistorical - the Papal States is a state like any other, no, even worse, since it has no access to the Papal Influence related mechanics and the Catholic bonuses. This will change. With this suggestion, the Papal States are gonna be destroyed and reforged, and the Catholic mechanics as well. Fast links to navigate this thread: Map Changes (following) Nations: here New formable Nation, New Government Reforms, How to Portray an Occult Signoria and Two Little Decisions: here Papal (or Decentralized) Vassals, A new Latin Culture, Latin Cultural Names: here Data exposition and basic statistics on Cardinals, Cardinal-Nephews, Conclaves, College of Cardinals and Concistories: here Current problem of Catholicism in-game, New Papal Influence generation, New Cardinals and how to Influence them, How to influence a Conclave and New Papal Controllers: here Adjustments to Influence spent on Cardinals, How and Why Cardinals go Abroad, Concistories and New Pace/Diplomacy/Espionage options: here Capitulations, the College of Cardinals as a Parliament and How to use (RoM DLC) traits to improve the proposed mechanics: here Internal Problems of the Papal States in 1444, How to Portray and How to Solve them in the game, Kingdom of God and other decisions: here Tithes, Provincial Legates and Some Minor Suggestions: here I'll add, for all of you who want to know better the Republic of Ancona, the suggestion posted by my friend @Funchi: here HABEMVS PAPAM Let's get down to business, here is what this long series of posts will be about: -Reviving Central Italy, in particular the regions of Lazio, Umbria, Marche and Romagna -Reviving Catholicism in a historical manner -Other minor suggestions I'm sorry, but I will not touch Tuscany (exept from a new province). Maybe in the future ;) Also, the province histories does not contain the Napoleonic occupations. They will inherit that form the province they were split from. Speaking about the map I want to propose: - 8 new provinces - 7 new nations - 2 new states DISCLAIMER: the "?" means I'm not exactly sure but it's my best guess. When denoting ruler's skills, it means that I did not find any information about them or the avaiable information is not enough to draw a conlusion. In game, I'd like them to be random. But let's not wait longer, see it with your own eyes: Part 1 : MAP CHANGES As you can see, Central Italy is now much more fragmented. - In GREEN, there is the current state of Emilia-Romagna, which will become only Emilia, containing only Parma, Modena and Ferrara. Ferrara is effectively part of Romagna in real life, but to avoid punishing the nation of Ferrara and for having 3 provinces in the state, it will be in Emilia. - In BROWN, we have the State of Tuscany. A very rich land, it will have a province more. The Republic of Siena is now split in two. That's because the Siena province was too big and round and because the city of Siena was somehow placed on the coast. Now, the province of Grosseto grants Siena access to the sea. Now we get to the interesting part. - In RED, we have the new State of Romagna. It consist of 4 provinces, belonging to 4 different nations: we have Ravenna, which was conquered in 1441 by the Republic of Venice, Bologna, which was a semi-independent Occult Signoria, Imola, which was ruled by the Manfredi family on behalf of the Duke of Milan and Rimini, which was a semi-independent Signoria ruled by House Malatesta. What is a semi-independet state or a Signoria? We'll talk about that later. Here, have some data about the provinces: Woah, that is quite a bit of history knowledge, and it may gave you some ideas of some things I want to suggest later. But let's talk about why I added these 4 provinces: -Imola: point of contrast between Milan, Florence and the Papal States (via an event if necessary). It also takes a diplomatic slot of Milan. -Ravenna: point of contrast between Venice and the Papal States, it also buffs Venice -Bologna: important city in Romagna, subdued at the start of the XVI century fter a war. -Rimini: important state opposed to Urbino, both famous for their contrasts and their condottieri. Not satisfied enough? Here we go again: - In LIME (do not judge me for the color choice), we have the new State of Marca Anconitana, in large part semi-autonomous form the Pope's rule. We have 4 provinces here: Urbino (you alrerady know this guy), Ancona, a Merchant Republic, Camerino, a Sgnoria ruled by the Da Varano family, and lstly Macerata, the only part of the state that the Pope controls. So, here I have to defend myself a little. Those of you familiar with Central Italy in the XVth Century already have noticed them, but for the others I'll say that there are three mistakes in this area: -Ancona should not border Urbino, however I make them border each other to ease an Ancona start and to make the Macerata province look better. -Camerino should not have any access to Naples, let alone to the sea! I know, but as an enclave state, no one in their right mind would ever had played this Nation, so I gave them a carrot and not the stick they deserved. -Macerata shoud not be in the Pope's control yet! I know, there was a large Signoria controlled by the future Duke of Milan Francesco Sforza. But it ended in 1445 and will be excessively difficult to model, so I'll represent things this way. Last but not least, we have in BLUE the State of Lazio-Umbria. Yes, I know, what about Lazio-Campania and Central Italy? Well, they are gone! They were extremely ahistorical and prompted the Pope and the King of Naples to cut each other's throat, which was again ahistorical. So I made a better state. Here, we have 4 provinces: one of which is not under the Papal States: Perugia. Here we have the Occult Signoria of the Baglioni family, that will rule for a more or less a century before getting conquered by the Pope. So, here I will say just one thingabout Lazio-Umbria. The Campagna province reprsents the Legation of "Campagna e Marittima". It also serves to separate Rome from Naples and introduce some strategic depth. I'll briefly talk about the province of Avignon, although there is not much to say. In my suggestion, to better balance the development count of the Papal States, the province of Avignon loses 1/1/1 development. Well, this is the end of the map changes! STAY TUNED! Next is coming: new nations, government reforms and Occult Singoria! PS: also, I will tage here @DDRJake and @neondt to make this thread more visible to the devs, since this area will be touched nex year. PPS: I do not know yet how many parts I will publish, but they will be a lot!

Thread starter Van Kasten
Start date Dec 18, 2018

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neondt

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Dec 18, 2018

Wonderful. Saving for my post-vacation forum binge.

Initial thought though, I would make Bologna independent.

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Dec 18, 2018

I like it.

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