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People I nede some info on "White Croatia" who was on teritory of this day Poland from 600-1100 ac as I no.
And Info on "Srbska marka" from 800 on teritory of EU province Saxony....End pasible on migration of this 2 nation
I canth find some specifick info on that specifick info :confused:
so plese if sombody no enyfing abauth this to sey samthing plese!
 
Originally posted by Hrv123
I canth find some specifick info on that specifick info :confused:
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lol

I am sorry but i know nothing about them, never even heard about them. I wil read as soon as some one tells you about them=)
 
As for the Saxon part, are you sure you're not thinking of the Sorbs, an unrelated (to the Serbs) East-Elbian Slavic people, displaced or absorbed by the expanding German settlement of the Reich?
 
Uh in all my atlases and history grade I got that
( noth much abaut actualy )people at teritory off saxsony in 6/7/8 ct are SERBS
????
And they where setled at river Laba....and from there migrated into balcans....

Can you give me some more information on that ???
Or some link or somthing ?
 
From what I can tell, and I haven't got a specific Serbian history text, so I'm relying on more general sources, the "Sorbs" lived along the river Elbe in a SE direction from Magdeburg-or roughly the area of modern Saxony.

"Old" or pre-Charlemagne Saxony was further north and west, with, I believe, the Slavic Wends and the Abodrites as their eastern neighbours.

But, despite the similarity of the modern transliteration "Sorb" to "Serb", as far as I know they are not the same people, the Sorbs being absorbed into the mass of the Germanic settlers that pushed east from the Ninth and tenth centuries onwards.

Two possible web pages I just found-

http://members.aol.com/BeallComp/wends.htm

http://www-user.tu-cottbus.de/Sorben/inhalt11/d0101.htm
 
Great links.Thanx
First time learn thers still some slaves nation on teritiory of this days Germany, and that they are actualy SORBS noth SERBS..

Interesting information... it actual an 180 degres difrence that Serbs are claiming.Or is iven taken for fact here in croatia abauth they have same origion.
Alauth Sorbs them self call "Srbi" ...Serbs actualy also call them self "Srbi" hmmmmmmm ?!

Stil nobady no enithing abauth "white Croatia".... it was in teritory of Poland !?

Sombdy from poland Perhaps shuld no samthing it shuld be at same time "Boreslav" ruled Poland !
 
Hrv123
I'm sorry but you'll really have to find some way of spellchecking. I know where the word in English may have come from, but it's rather impolitic to write "slave" instead of "Slav".:D

Still, glad you found the links useful-just for once the search function did as advertised!:D

Any possible link between the Serbs and the people of the "Great Moravian" kingdom that used to be (probably) at the confluence of the Danube and the Sava rivers, rather than anywhere near modern Moravia at the time of Charlemagne?
 
slave.. ups:D

Hmmm....
Hmmmmm....
loking the GM state on map.....

The "white Croatia" shuld be in this state buth have no idea what status or enyifing else would have with Moravian state, as i have sparse info that "White Cro" was incorporate into poland.... but no concrete sorce .... this wats im serching

As for "White serbia" canth finde eny name or clue with GM
actualy ay discused with some people from this regia (Hungary)
abauth "from where Serbian antion comed" new information i got is
... That serbs as nation didnth exist before 1200/1300 ac...
I personoly donth belive in this ass they comed in some sort of organization... but for name Serbs(Srbi) still no info abauth From where they comed ore its so rare that I still didnth iven see a bit.



Oh! youst rememberd! .. perhaps there some info on State department site... they have information abauth nations there for enybody :D
 
The White Croats and the black Croats yes they also exist were two tribes who lived in northern part of the Carpaten(Nowadays North Tsechia and North Slowakia Their names are derived from Charvaten. They have not much to do with the Croats who were called the Hrvaten. Both names became Croat but that was probably a mistake or better said a simplification.
 
Hrvati =Croats
Hrvati = wath wee cal are self this day
Croats =old greece ore Latin name of ass and alweys used by Bizant and Rome/PAPal sorces
And there is actualy an "corect" source abauth
Croats who live in croatia this days where caled by Bizantium Emperor
to help him defet Avars...and the source from Bizant
( Emperor book abauth Empaer and world( will serch fore its name I have it somvere))
seay that some of Croats tribes from "White Croatia" did come at his call and help Bizant to crush Avar state and then setled there where wee stil live this days...


I no that names like White and Red where used in old Slav coultury fore Word side like wee cal it N ,S ,E and W this days....
so from that is prably all thate white and red ..... slav states.

Uh I first time heard abauth "Black Croatia" :confused: ...
And youre seying of location is wery same ore close to info I got abauth "White croatia"....
CAn you be lithle more specifick ore give me some source abauth history of "White" and "Black"( ? ) Croatia ????

Please :)
 
MAL

I found my information in my historical Atlas, but it doesn't extend any futher than what I already wrote. I searche on Internet, but sites which could be interesting are in Tsech. So sorry
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At my sorow .. sigh.... some 40-50% of info ay get is also from History atlases...

I was hoping sombody who nose good, wery good abauth history of Poland and suranding could help !!!!!

"White Croatia" was as I understand incorporated into Poland in 10/11 ct
And have no nolage on "Black Croatia" wats o ewer wats strange ass it shuld be mentioned in some local history books ore articals..and thers noth a visper abaut it here.....

Could you perhaps give some of this links on Cheski language MAL ?
 
CROATIA (Dalmatian) The Croatians are a Serbo-Croatian people speaking the Croatian dialect of that language. They are Roman Catholic for the most part, and use the Latin alphabet.
To the Roman Empire.................................10-395
To the Western Roman Empire.........................395-455
To the Ostrogoths..................................455-568
A contested zone, pitting sporadic attempts by the Byzantine Empire to establish a frontier perimeter against repeated incursions by the Avars. During this period, groups of Slavs migrated from the north into the region, and settled it, winning full autonomy as the Avar Empire waned.
TRPIMIROVIC
Viseslav........................................c. 800-c. 810
Borna...........................................c. 810-821
Vladislav..........................................821-c. 835
Mislav..........................................c. 835-c. 845
Trpimir I.......................................c. 845-864
Zdeslav................................................864 d. 879
Domagoj............................................864-876
Iljko..............................................876-878
Zdeslav (restored).................................878-879
Branimir...........................................879-892
Mutimir............................................892-910
Tomislav I.........................................910-c. 928
Trpimir II......................................c. 928-c. 935
Kresimir I......................................c. 935-c. 945
Miroslav........................................c. 945-c. 949 with...
Kresimir II.....................................c. 945-c. 969
Drzislav........................................c. 969-997
Civil War..........................................997-1000
SURONJA
Svetoslav..........................................997-1000 with...
Kresimir III.......................................997-1030 and...
Goislav............................................997-1020
Stephen ..........................................1030-1058
Kresimir IV.......................................1058-1074
Slavic............................................1074-1075
Zvonimir..........................................1075-1089
Anarchic conditions...............................1089-1093
Helena.......................................1088-1091 opposed by...
Stephen II...................................1089-1091 opposed by...
Almos........................................1091-1093
Peter.............................................1093-1097
To Hungary........................................1097-1918
To Yugoslavia.....................................1918-1941
SAVOY
Tomislav II.......................................1941-1943
Chaotic conflict: Axis military vs. partisans.....1943-1945
To Yugoslavia.....................................1945-1991
First Republic....................................1991-
CROATIA (Pannonian) The Croatian people also established a northern state, adjacent to the modern Croatian/Hungarian frontier, in the late Dark Ages, following the dispersal of the Avars.
Kuber...........................................fl. c. 758
Vojmir..........................................fl. c. 796
Ljudevit Posavski..................................817-823
?
Ratimir............................................829-838
?
Pribina............................................849-860
Kocelj.............................................861-872
Mucimir............................................872-873
Braslav............................................880-897
To Magyars.........................................897-925
To Southern, or Dalmatian, Croatia thereafter...
 
1. Thnx fore that links MAL and HANIBAL BARC,A have lote of useful infos
2. I no history of Croatia nad aders nations araund quate well..
but i have incredibly smol infos abauth origin of cro and athers before ~700 ad.....
I have some nolage abauth period of Cro origon from ~600/500bc till
500/600 ad ... Ants-slavs state.
Wery wery lo infos
State was divaided and there where croats having thear one state in "White Croatia" ~600/1000-1100?......HAve no clue abauth "Black Croatia"

some names of cro apering by date and location

Harauvat---600/500 bc at teritory of this days Afganistan
Harahvati--600/500 bc at teritory of this days Afganistan

Hrvatin and other toponames in Kavkaz mountins betven this 2 periods

Horovatos
and greek ore latin version :
Choroathos---- at location of city TANAIS ( Azov this days )in this days Ukraine araubd II and III ct ac

and then first tayme name of Croats start to be conected with slavs culture in V and VI ct ac in Ants-Slavs state where they lived...

After end of Ants nation There where made "White Croatia" in VI-XI ct ac....

Then cro comed to adriatic and big part stayed there...

but thers also some grups who go inthis days N.greece (name Hrvati)
and go all to the Aten and Peloponez and Crete...( agen name Hrvati)
this grups where asimilated in poverful greece/Roman culture wery erly fore shure.


Abauth Serbo-Croat nation....this is 19/20ct teory acepted by Serb nacionalist and its literaly thear fuel for idea of "Great Serbia".

Plese can you geve me some resoms whay shuld there be Serbo-Croat nation ooo I wuld like to hear some resons ;)???

Plese donth use language similarty theory becose its crapy teory...
( I anderstand Bulgarian language wery well and it have a lots similaritis with this days Cro and Serb, and I newer herad sombody is seying Bulgars have same origion with ather S slavs becose of that
( as they donth )!!! ).
 
1. Thnx fore that links MAL and HANIBAL BARC,A have lote of useful infos
2. I no history of Croatia nad aders nations araund quate well..
but i have incredibly smol infos abauth origin of cro and athers before ~700 ad.....
I have some nolage abauth period of Cro origon from ~600/500bc till
500/600 ad ... Ants-slavs state.
Wery wery lo infos
State was divaided and there where croats having thear one state in "White Croatia" ~600/1000-1100?......HAve no clue abauth "Black Croatia"

some names of cro apering by date and location

Harauvat---600/500 bc at teritory of this days Afganistan
Harahvati--600/500 bc at teritory of this days Afganistan

Hrvatin and other toponames in Kavkaz mountins betven this 2 periods

Horovatos
and greek ore latin version :
Choroathos---- at location of city TANAIS ( Azov this days )in this days Ukraine araubd II and III ct ac

and then first tayme name of Croats start to be conected with slavs culture in V and VI ct ac in Ants-Slavs state where they lived...

After end of Ants nation There where made "White Croatia" in VI-XI ct ac....

Then cro comed to adriatic and big part stayed there...

but thers also some grups who go in this days teritory of N.greece (name Hrvati)
and go all to the Athen and Peloponez and Crete...( agen name Hrvati)
this grups where asimilated in poverful greece/Roman culture wery erly fore shure.


What I m serching is some concrete info abauth period of V.-XI. ac
as thers noth much infos abauth Ant-slav state and White cro ( Black Cro??)state, and there shuld be some???

Abauth Serbo-Croat nation....this is 19/20ct teory acepted by Serb nacionalist and its literaly thear fuel for idea of "Great Serbia".

Plese can you geve me some resoms whay shuld there be Serbo-Croat nation ooo I wuld like to hear some resons ;)???

Plese donth use language similarty theory becose its crapy teory...
( I anderstand Bulgarian language wery well and it have a lots similaritis with this days Cro and Serb, and I newer herad sombody is seying Bulgars have same origion with ather S slavs becose of that
( as they donth )!!! ).
 
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