Help when coming to mod the commonwealth into ck2

[olivemanwastaken]

Ive always been interested with the Polish lithuanian commonwealth and its history and ive decided that i want to make a mod based around the commonwealth.
• I want to add a way to interact with the Sejm and pass laws and veto them
• Make it so that russian ai tries to form the russian empire and the lithuanian chiefdom forms the grand duchy of lithuania
• Different ways to campaign to get heirs or yourself on throne by maybe spending money of doing some sort of propaganda
• Adding the magnate title
• Adding the Czartoryski, Kalinowski, Koniecpolski, Ostrogski, Ossolinski, Potocki, Tarnowski, Wisiniowiecki, Zalaski and Zamoyski families any maybe making some story line to it
• Making Wawel Cathedral a wonder of the world
• Making a 1569 start date
• Adding more descions (havent really thought that out)

Is there any specific tips i could use to add these ideas in, ive had a read on the ckII wiki but quite frankly its all a bit too much to process
Or even better if there is someone who could help with the whole coding process

 

[Gundabadguy]

I’ve always wanted to make a ck2 mod that extends the timeline into the early modern period but I’m not very good at coding. I think it’s worth a try though

 

[prismaticmarcus]

Moved to User Mods

 

[NarcomancerPL]

Ive always been interested with the Polish lithuanian commonwealth and its history and ive decided that i want to make a mod based around the commonwealth.
• I want to add a way to interact with the Sejm and pass laws and veto them
• Make it so that russian ai tries to form the russian empire and the lithuanian chiefdom forms the grand duchy of lithuania
• Different ways to campaign to get heirs or yourself on throne by maybe spending money of doing some sort of propaganda
• Adding the magnate title
• Adding the Czartoryski, Kalinowski, Koniecpolski, Ostrogski, Ossolinski, Potocki, Tarnowski, Wisiniowiecki, Zalaski and Zamoyski families any maybe making some story line to it
• Making Wawel Cathedral a wonder of the world
• Making a 1569 start date
• Adding more descions (havent really thought that out)

Is there any specific tips i could use to add these ideas in, ive had a read on the ckII wiki but quite frankly its all a bit too much to process
Or even better if there is someone who could help with the whole coding process

You need to be more specific. How do you envision any of these things? You can write what existing mechanics you would want to use for what you envisioned
If you have it well planned out I can help you with some things, but my modding skills are mainly for my own use, so it's harder to make something as impressive as AtE or AGOT for example

 

[olivemanwastaken]

You need to be more specific. How do you envision any of these things? You can write what existing mechanics you would want to use for what you envisioned
If you have it well planned out I can help you with some things, but my modding skills are mainly for my own use, so it's harder to make something as impressive as AtE or AGOT for example

Okay so i was thinking with the sejm, it could be its own tab on the top left next to the societies tab.

When opening, it brings you to a screen that shows a list of all nobles in the sejm and who the marshal of the sejm who is at the top of the list and next to that it shows how much these nobles’ votes are worth (for example when playing as the Byzantine empire, depending on your status your vote can be worth more)

And you need to get 51% of the votes to get a law passed. Aswell as all of that, to actually decide what law to pass there will be a button that looks similar to when you want to reform a religion (this button will be located in the top left of this “Sejm tab”. Upon pressing the button it will bring up another thing that looks like the screen where you pick what attributes your reformed religion would have, the difference with that is there will only be one box not four and when clicking that box will show a variety of laws you can pass for example (Mass Conscription, War Taxes, Religious rights etc) i still need to think about what to choose.



When it comes to making the lithuanian and russian ai form the Grand Duchy Of Lithuania and The Russian Empire. I was thinking you could decide if you want the ai to actually do that in the settings right before you start a game. If you choose to let the ai form the two states it will make the game feel like your playing poland in the 1300s - 1600s. If you dont choose this option youll just have to deal with whatever the ai chooses to do in eastern europe.



When it comes to campaigning, you can spend money on your desired heir like how you would do when campaigning for your bishop to be cardinal. Next to that will be a button that shows you a list of all the people trying to get on the throne. This will be at the bottom of the Sejm tab. You can also ask different nations to back you in the election and there vote will be worth quite a bit so if you dont win then you can ask that ally you asked to support you to go to war to take the throne. BUT if you do ask a nation then after they might ask for something in return and if you dont do it then it can have dire consequences like war



When it comes to adding the Magnate title. I was thinking you could automatically earn the title if you hold 3 duchies and have 500 gold but the magnate title will only show up if the commonwealth has been formed and you hold these duchies titles in the commonwealth.



When it comes to adding these families:

Czartoryski, Kalinowski, Koniecpolski, Ostrogski, Ossolinski, Potocki, Tarnowski, Wisiniowiecki, Zalaski and Zamoyski.

I was thinking that upon forming the commonwealth. You will get pop ups saying that “The Ossolinksi Has Rose To Power through politics” for example. The pop ups will be the same to when your playing as a merchant republic and a family has died or has rose to power. All these families will pop up at once. Upon these families rising to power, you will notice these families show up in quite frequently in the Sejm. And these families might get some landed titles overtime



When it comes to adding Wawel cathedral, it could be that it shows up on the Krakow tile as a Level 2 building in the 1066 start and going forwards. The picture would probably just look similar to one you find on google lol. And the Cathedral will give you extra piety and prestige and will bring different intrigue options like the Hagia Sophia. Not only that but it could bring different diplomatic options aswell where your opinion could go up by 5 (or something like that) you will also be coronated there if your a king and



Adding the 1569 start date may be a bit overkill for now but it would basically resemble europe in 1569 with the commonwealth. When playing in this start date it will bring a few option like sponsoring a renaissance scientist or artist who can give you military, cultural tech etc. I was thinking maybe 100 tech points. There could also be options to explore the new world where you go form a polish colony but adding the whole world map maybe a bit tooo much.



Ultimately i was thinking the mod could make the game go up to 1795 or 1815. It would also be nice if the ai in general could form de jure states like the Austrian empire or the Ottoman empire or the spanish empire or the Swedish empire to just make it feel like your playing in that time period.

Im probably not going to think about event chains too much since this may be more than enough for now.



And to actually form the commonwealth you need to hold the de jure lands of Poland, Kievan Rus, Galicia, Moldavia and Crimea. And you cant have an heir yet and you need to have 2000 prestige and 1500 gold. You can either just invade these lands OR

If you turn to make it so the ai forms Lithuania and russia. You can let the Lithuanians grab the territory they need or at-least some of it and then right click on the rulers picture there will be an option to Personal Union (the other kingdom has to not have a ruler on the throne or they really like you) If they consent youll be able to raise Lithuanian Levies and interact with there tiles on the map but on the map it will still show Lithuania until you form the commonwealth. The Personal Union will look similar on the map to how you do it in EU4.

When your in a personal union, The crest with the flag of poland will have the Lithuanian crest right next to it. But then when you have formed the commonwealth the flag will change to that of the commonwealth. And the crown on top wont become an emperor crown it will stay as a king crown.

And once forming a pop up will show saying

The Formation Of The Commonwealth

And then it will talk about youve done to form it. It will be like those pop ups that talk about what going on in china



ALSO, the sejm tab wont show up until you have formed the commonwealth!





Thats all my ideas FOR NOW. I wont think too much about event chains and traits and whatnot for now and if you want me to elaborate on anything then let me know!

 

[NarcomancerPL]

Okay so i was thinking with the sejm, it could be its own tab on the top left next to the societies tab.

When opening, it brings you to a screen that shows a list of all nobles in the sejm and who the marshal of the sejm who is at the top of the list and next to that it shows how much these nobles’ votes are worth (for example when playing as the Byzantine empire, depending on your status your vote can be worth more)

And you need to get 51% of the votes to get a law passed. Aswell as all of that, to actually decide what law to pass there will be a button that looks similar to when you want to reform a religion (this button will be located in the top left of this “Sejm tab”. Upon pressing the button it will bring up another thing that looks like the screen where you pick what attributes your reformed religion would have, the difference with that is there will only be one box not four and when clicking that box will show a variety of laws you can pass for example (Mass Conscription, War Taxes, Religious rights etc) i still need to think about what to choose.

Making something (next to the original tabs) is really hard and not doable if we are not programists, but we can make it as a society instead. Afaik Elder Kings have society based parliament system for Empire you can ask them for permission to implement this mechanic and maybe you could also make that Leader of the society to be King of Commonwealth [that's how it works in "Imperial Court Society" mod] (that was one of my ideas, so tell me would do you think about it)

When it comes to campaigning, you can spend money on your desired heir like how you would do when campaigning for your bishop to be cardinal. Next to that will be a button that shows you a list of all the people trying to get on the throne. This will be at the bottom of the Sejm tab. You can also ask different nations to back you in the election and there vote will be worth quite a bit so if you dont win then you can ask that ally you asked to support you to go to war to take the throne. BUT if you do ask a nation then after they might ask for something in return and if you dont do it then it can have dire consequences like war

That I think you can ask people from the "Playable (dynastic) theocracy" mod. It makes changes to to the conclave system. It still uses money, but also gives the opportunity to promote family member as "cardinal" so you can make it to promote "heir" instead.
Countries can back you could be harder to do, but if it would use conclave system they would do it through conclave different heir would work on the Antipope mechanic.
There is one problem tho and I don't know if it's doable. Pope is a religious head It maybe a requirement for King of Commonwealth to be a head of religion (which he could be a head of "religious tolerancy" it would be a little gamey tho). The last one is beyond my modding capabilities.

When it comes to making the lithuanian and russian ai form the Grand Duchy Of Lithuania and The Russian Empire. I was thinking you could decide if you want the ai to actually do that in the settings right before you start a game. If you choose to let the ai form the two states it will make the game feel like your playing poland in the 1300s - 1600s. If you dont choose this option youll just have to deal with whatever the ai chooses to do in eastern europe.

You can make it through events I think, but I have never made event, so you would need help from someone else.

When it comes to adding the Magnate title. I was thinking you could automatically earn the title if you hold 3 duchies and have 500 gold but the magnate title will only show up if the commonwealth has been formed and you hold these duchies titles in the commonwealth.

That I think is easily doable

When it comes to adding these families:

Czartoryski, Kalinowski, Koniecpolski, Ostrogski, Ossolinski, Potocki, Tarnowski, Wisiniowiecki, Zalaski and Zamoyski.

I was thinking that upon forming the commonwealth. You will get pop ups saying that “The Ossolinksi Has Rose To Power through politics” for example. The pop ups will be the same to when your playing as a merchant republic and a family has died or has rose to power. All these families will pop up at once. Upon these families rising to power, you will notice these families show up in quite frequently in the Sejm. And these families might get some landed titles overtime

If PLC was based on Merchant republic that would be easy, but idk if it's doable. You have to be coastal. I guess you could make Vistula to be sea provinces, but idk if you can combine Conclave like mechanic with merchant republics' elections

When it comes to adding Wawel cathedral, it could be that it shows up on the Krakow tile as a Level 2 building in the 1066 start and going forwards. The picture would probably just look similar to one you find on google lol. And the Cathedral will give you extra piety and prestige and will bring different intrigue options like the Hagia Sophia. Not only that but it could bring different diplomatic options aswell where your opinion could go up by 5 (or something like that) you will also be coronated there if your a king and



Adding the 1569 start date may be a bit overkill for now but it would basically resemble europe in 1569 with the commonwealth. When playing in this start date it will bring a few option like sponsoring a renaissance scientist or artist who can give you military, cultural tech etc. I was thinking maybe 100 tech points.


Ultimately i was thinking the mod could make the game go up to 1795 or 1815. It would also be nice if the ai in general could form de jure states like the Austrian empire or the Ottoman empire or the spanish empire or the Swedish empire to just make it feel like your playing in that time period.

That is easily doable. Ai forming Austria, Ottoman, Sweden and so on could be done in many different ways. You could make it de jure titles from 1569 date onwards or you could make it decisions, but that would be a problem for AI. And the 3rd way similar to what you suggested with Lithuania and Russia events, but too much events would make games feel very samey and would kill the random and sandbox factor of the game.

There could also be options to explore the new world where you go form a polish colony but adding the whole world map maybe a bit tooo much.

Ye focus on Europe for now When you will have stable Europe build you would have to look to Africa, India, Steppes and then you could try with expanding map to the entire world. There is mod "Umbra Sapiens" that adds whole filled world, so you could ask it's creators for the permission of map use in future

If you turn to make it so the ai forms Lithuania and russia. You can let the Lithuanians grab the territory they need or at-least some of it and then right click on the rulers picture there will be an option to Personal Union (the other kingdom has to not have a ruler on the throne or they really like you) If they consent youll be able to raise Lithuanian Levies and interact with there tiles on the map but on the map it will still show Lithuania until you form the commonwealth. The Personal Union will look similar on the map to how you do it in EU4.

When your in a personal union, The crest with the flag of poland will have the Lithuanian crest right next to it. But then when you have formed the commonwealth the flag will change to that of the commonwealth. And the crown on top wont become an emperor crown it will stay as a king crown.

And once forming a pop up will show saying

The Formation Of The Commonwealth

And then it will talk about youve done to form it. It will be like those pop ups that talk about what going on in china

Making personal unions similar? That could be hard my idea would be to put regent/empty throne character on the throne of Lithuania and him becoming some sort of special tributary of Polish king. You can obviously change flag, you are changing title, so it's a given, but not changing crown over the emblem of country is not possible. Even if the leader will be called King it's still an empire tier title.



Ok I think that's all Tell me what you think about it and are you still interested

 

[NarcomancerPL]

And to actually form the commonwealth you need to hold the de jure lands of Poland, Kievan Rus, Galicia, Moldavia and Crimea. And you cant have an heir yet and you need to have 2000 prestige and 1500 gold.

That's just simple decision similar to how you make HRE. Tbh every title formation decision I made I was basing on forming HRE

 

[olivemanwastaken]

Thank you! That all sounds good. I would love to work with you! Although my coding experience is very VERY limited. The most im able to do is code my own bloodline so if i work with you ill be looking up to you to do alot more of the coding. But as for now if some of the things I mentioned are hard or not doable then perhaps we should atleast work on making the The Commonwealth a formable title

 

[NarcomancerPL]

Thank you! That all sounds good. I would love to work with you! Although my coding experience is very VERY limited. The most im able to do is code my own bloodline so if i work with you ill be looking up to you to do alot more of the coding. But as for now if some of the things I mentioned are hard or not doable then perhaps we should atleast work on making the The Commonwealth a formable title

Ok so first and most important I'm not an IT specialist either, I'm actually a historian (university student to be exact)
But I can definietely do smth
We would need to have team, but first we need to promote your project, so we need to have something done to be able to promote it. Have some at least playable build that we can make new page on forum and maybe steam with some gameplay screenshot. That way we will be able to interest and recruit more people. (But remember it's CK2, so it could be harder attract much more people, because there is CK3)
Dm me on forum, so we can decide what we should focus on first

 

[olivemanwastaken]

Okay! Sounds goood! You should have gotten a dm on forums

 

[jonjowett]

When it comes to campaigning, you can spend money on your desired heir like how you would do when campaigning for your bishop to be cardinal. Next to that will be a button that shows you a list of all the people trying to get on the throne. This will be at the bottom of the Sejm tab. You can also ask different nations to back you in the election and there vote will be worth quite a bit so if you dont win then you can ask that ally you asked to support you to go to war to take the throne. BUT if you do ask a nation then after they might ask for something in return and if you dont do it then it can have dire consequences like war

Instead of basing it on a MR, as suggested above, you could also use an electoral succession law. Either directly rely on buying favors to "call in succession support"; or write a custom electoral succession law where electors' voting preferences are affected by the amount of money invested in campaigning (which you could store as a variable on each eligible heir).

In fact, I'd urge you to NOT base anything on the MR mechanics, as they are notoriously janky, with hardcoding everywhere.

 

[BernhardTheUgly]

Creator of Umbra Sapians here. I am working on expanding the timeline to 1640. I don't know anything about the Commonwealth yet.

When it comes to making the lithuanian and russian ai form the Grand Duchy Of Lithuania and The Russian Empire. I was thinking you could decide if you want the ai to actually do that in the settings right before you start a game. If you choose to let the ai form the two states it will make the game feel like your playing poland in the 1300s - 1600s. If you dont choose this option youll just have to deal with whatever the ai chooses to do in eastern europe.

You can pretty easily limit the creation of certain titles for certain cultures. As for making it an option at the start of the game, I know you can do it but not how. It is probably pretty easy. But It is hard for the AI to even do anything worthwhile in eastern Europe by itselt. Russia has a hard time forming even with OP CBs and boosts to their retinues. You can add more stuff to the game but you can't really make the AI better. Work needs to be put into events to further aproximate the narrative of the game to history.

When it comes to adding the Magnate title. I was thinking you could automatically earn the title if you hold 3 duchies and have 500 gold but the magnate title will only show up if the commonwealth has been formed and you hold these duchies titles in the commonwealth.

The easiest way would be for titular duchies to be creatable under certain conditions? This duchies can have special titles for their holders and have loads of dignity. I was reading the Magnates were a social class though

When it comes to campaigning, you can spend money on your desired heir like how you would do when campaigning for your bishop to be cardinal. Next to that will be a button that shows you a list of all the people trying to get on the throne. This will be at the bottom of the Sejm tab. You can also ask different nations to back you in the election and there vote will be worth quite a bit so if you dont win then you can ask that ally you asked to support you to go to war to take the throne. BUT if you do ask a nation then after they might ask for something in return and if you dont do it then it can have dire consequences like war
When it comes to adding these families:

Czartoryski, Kalinowski, Koniecpolski, Ostrogski, Ossolinski, Potocki, Tarnowski, Wisiniowiecki, Zalaski and Zamoyski.

I was thinking that upon forming the commonwealth. You will get pop ups saying that “The Ossolinksi Has Rose To Power through politics” for example. The pop ups will be the same to when your playing as a merchant republic and a family has died or has rose to power. All these families will pop up at once. Upon these families rising to power, you will notice these families show up in quite frequently in the Sejm. And these families might get some landed titles overtime

Sounds a lot like a merchant republic lol. There is a tiny line of code that makes Merchants republic only appear in coastal provinces. We can use them as a base for a new type of government in Poland if you think it fits.

Ultimately i was thinking the mod could make the game go up to 1795 or 1815. It would also be nice if the ai in general could form de jure states like the Austrian empire or the Ottoman empire or the spanish empire or the Swedish empire to just make it feel like your playing in that time period.

it took me three weeks to write the genealogies(Around 1450ish people) of the Kings of Portugal, Navarra, Sicilly, Naples, Cyprus, most of the french and habsburgs up until 1640. I am optimistical but it is slow as molasses adding all this.

And to actually form the commonwealth you need to hold the de jure lands of Poland, Kievan Rus, Galicia, Moldavia and Crimea. And you cant have an heir yet and you need to have 2000 prestige and 1500 gold. You can either just invade these lands OR

If you turn to make it so the ai forms Lithuania and russia. You can let the Lithuanians grab the territory they need or at-least some of it and then right click on the rulers picture there will be an option to Personal Union (the other kingdom has to not have a ruler on the throne or they really like you) If they consent youll be able to raise Lithuanian Levies and interact with there tiles on the map but on the map it will still show Lithuania until you form the commonwealth. The Personal Union will look similar on the map to how you do it in EU4.

Keep in mind the AI is not a thinking being. It will not know how to do anything. Seriously, the AI will not click on the button to form an empire title for centuries if you don't tell it to, even if they have the money to do it.
If you want to make it a decision you have the problem that the AI will almost never be unmaried. It will allways marry if it has no wife right away. A targeted decision to arrange a marriage would totally be possible but I doupt you will get the opportunity to use it.
If you are on a personal union you just own the kingdom in ck2 though. Unless it is your spouse who owns it and then she/he will be your ally in game.

When your in a personal union, The crest with the flag of poland will have the Lithuanian crest right next to it. But then when you have formed the commonwealth the flag will change to that of the commonwealth. And the crown on top wont become an emperor crown it will stay as a king crown.

For this a new title needs to be created to give the illusion the flag changed. It can be called the same, have the same colour or whatever, but changing flags is impossible in ck2.

When it comes to adding Wawel cathedral, it could be that it shows up on the Krakow tile as a Level 2 building in the 1066 start and going forwards. The picture would probably just look similar to one you find on google lol. And the Cathedral will give you extra piety and prestige and will bring different intrigue options like the Hagia Sophia. Not only that but it could bring different diplomatic options aswell where your opinion could go up by 5 (or something like that) you will also be coronated there if your a king.

Easy to do. I would prefer not to use a photo but if I can find a picture I will use it.

Adding the 1569 start date may be a bit overkill for now but it would basically resemble europe in 1569 with the commonwealth. When playing in this start date it will bring a few option like sponsoring a renaissance scientist or artist who can give you military, cultural tech etc. I was thinking maybe 100 tech points. There could also be options to explore the new world where you go form a polish colony but adding the whole world map maybe a bit tooo much.

The renaissance took place a little bit earlier than that I think. But sure we can have events for it. Historical characters with stats showing and stuff like that. Honestly I find events quite annoying. There is already a lot in the game and usually they pop up all the time for every damn thing already.
Polish colonies are already possible with the cbs I have in the game, I do have historical events for Courland which is technically part of poland.

When opening, it brings you to a screen that shows a list of all nobles in the sejm and who the marshal of the sejm who is at the top of the list and next to that it shows how much these nobles’ votes are worth (for example when playing as the Byzantine empire, depending on your status your vote can be worth more)

And you need to get 51% of the votes to get a law passed. Aswell as all of that, to actually decide what law to pass there will be a button that looks similar to when you want to reform a religion (this button will be located in the top left of this “Sejm tab”. Upon pressing the button it will bring up another thing that looks like the screen where you pick what attributes your reformed religion would have, the difference with that is there will only be one box not four and when clicking that box will show a variety of laws you can pass for example (Mass Conscription, War Taxes, Religious rights etc) i still need to think about what to choose.

So an extended council? This can be done fairly easily.

 

[NarcomancerPL]

Creator of Umbra Sapians here. I am working on expanding the timeline to 1640. I don't know anything about the Commonwealth yet.

I love Umbra Sapiens <3
Why did you choose 1640 specifically?
If you are up to I think @olivemanwastaken would be happy to join forces But you should ask him. We were planning to make 1555 start date. We barely started

 

[BernhardTheUgly]

I love Umbra Sapiens <3
Why did you choose 1640 specifically?
If you are up to I think @olivemanwastaken would be happy to join forces But you should ask him. We were planning to make 1555 start date. We barely

So you can start as the 4th Portuguese royal dynasty and play as independent Portugal

Portuguese Restoration War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have only added characters as I said. I am just about finishing the Medici's and then I can do the last kings of France that I am missing.
Some of these people had waaaaay to many children though.

If you create something I can look at, you can allways send it my way or upload it to the workshop. I normally engage with people there and ask them for stuff if it is cool. I am not interested in creating a team to work together, have enough of that at work and having owned big groups before I ain't having none of that again.

 

[Gundabadguy]

So you can start as the 4th Portuguese royal dynasty and play as independent Portugal

Portuguese Restoration War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have only added characters as I said. I am just about finishing the Medici's and then I can do the last kings of France that I am missing.
Some of these people had waaaaay to many children though.

If you create something I can look at, you can allways send it my way or upload it to the workshop. I normally engage with people there and ask them for stuff if it is cool. I am not interested in creating a team to work together, have enough of that at work and having owned big groups before I ain't having none of that again.

I think that 1648 would make a good end date since that’s when the Thirty Year’s War ended which was a pivotal moment in early modern history

 

[BernhardTheUgly]

I think that 1648 would make a good end date since that’s when the Thirty Year’s War ended which was a pivotal moment in early modern history

I see no reason not to expand the timeline even further, I mean after the french revolution it might get a bit silly, the issue is just the amount of time and effort it takes to add more and more.