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I'm a bit perplexed about the timeline suggestion here (not about vic 3 being in dev, that is pretty obvious considering the staff movements in paradox in the recent years).

On one hand it is quite clear that the post 1750 (or even 1700 ?) period in EU4 doesn't fit really well with the actual game. All the mechanics surrounding revolutions and such had to be ahistorically advanced to give people time to play with them before 1821 (who would want a revolution starting in 1790 if you only get 25 years to play with it ?). A few updates have tried to address this but I feel like EU4's nature prevents this.

On the other hand the 19th century does have a unique feel and maybe it is just my perception (I come from a french speaking community) but the post napoleonic world is a completely different thing than the pre-revolutionary one.

To clarify, one of the main attractions of vic 2 was that the world in 1836 was pretty much set in stone for most of the 19th century, there where changes of course (Germany, Italy) but compared to the pre-1790 world the difference is enormous. So If we have a game that starts in 1750 It would in my opinion need to have multiple start dates to make it interesting (1750 - 1821/36 - 190?) and then of course we would fall into the same problems EU4 had.

Now of course there is a big chance that EU5 is in production, and I would'nt be surprised to see a reduced scope and multiple start dates (like ck3, which is an additionnal reason to think it might go this way) that allow for a different experience without requiring to much maintenance work with each expansion. If that is the case then a vic 3 that covers 1750-1936 would make sense.

In any case i'm confident that paradox will pull it off, but i'm very curious about how :D
Yeah, it's a bit odd.
I've seen some people with the opinion that EU should be split in two games already (one before and one after 1648), but this would go in the opposite direction by combining two games into one, further extending the timeline.

Now, EU4 has had a knowingly barren late game up until last year (I think Emperor did improve it a lot, but it isn't perfect), so if this supposed EU5-Vic3 combination is to work, the late game has to be well developed from the get go, they absolutely cannot leave it to be fixed later (especially not 7 freaking years later), or else the Vicky part is going to suffer a lot, and I don't think I have to emphasize just how terrible that would be.

If the timeframe of EU was to be reduced to increase Vicky's timeframe, I imagine the best cutoff point would be 1763, at the end of the seven years war.
That leaves Prussia as an established great power, and we'd start playing on the build up to the two revolutions of the pre-Napoleonic period (American and French).
 
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Now of course there is a big chance that EU5 is in production, and I would'nt be surprised to see a reduced scope and multiple start dates (like ck3, which is an additionnal reason to think it might go this way) that allow for a different experience without requiring to much maintenance work with each expansion. If that is the case then a vic 3 that covers 1750-1936 would make sense.
Hmm, that actually makes a bit of sense now that I think of CK 3 with it's different starting dates having distinct differences in play. You would also probably have to cut the later game at say 1920 , the "interwar" bits of Vicky 2 felt a bit unnatural and tacked on there allready, having early HOI units would probably feel even more off in a game that also represents pre-napoleonic warfare.

Yeah, if you make the "technologies" (for lack of a better term) in game really change gameplay stuff around (nationalism, industrialization, capitalism, democracy etc) it would also reflect how world changing and disruptive they were. I've changed my mind, sounds plausible and I like it.
 
Can’t stress enough how unhappy I would be with that timeline, this would ruin one of the coolest parts of Victoria 2 (it takes place in post-Napoleonic Europe) while all flavour and mechanics would be based around the 17th century.
 
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Hmm, that actually makes a bit of sense now that I think of CK 3 with it's different starting dates having distinct differences in play. You would also probably have to cut the later game at say 1920 , the "interwar" bits of Vicky 2 felt a bit unnatural and tacked on there allready, having early HOI units would probably feel even more off in a game that also represents pre-napoleonic warfare.

Yeah, if you make the "technologies" (for lack of a better term) in game really change gameplay stuff around (nationalism, industrialization, capitalism, democracy etc) it would also reflect how world changing and disruptive they were. I've changed my mind, sounds plausible and I like it.
A major problem I think is that a lot of major mechanics in Victoria 2 don’t make much sense in 1750, factories, (non-anachronistic) political parties and things like the crisis/infamy system don’t make sense at all without the Napoleonic Wars and I wouldn’t trust Paradox at all to put effort into mechanics that aren’t there from game start.
 
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Can’t stress enough how unhappy I would be with that timeline, this would ruin one of the coolest parts of Victoria 2 (it takes place in post-Napoleonic Europe) while all flavour and mechanics would be based around the 17th century.
It's a tough one for sure, assuming an EU5+Vic3 combination, if they feel like they can't afford supporting two separate games, a compromise could be to have a post-1815 bookmark.
But PDX has come on record several times in saying how they regret supporting several bookmarks in their games, and it'd come without the revenue of two games as well, so it's uncertain if they would ever do it.
Personally, I'd also be quite disappointed if they don't include it.

A major problem I think is that a lot of major mechanics in Victoria 2 don’t make much sense in 1750, factories, (non-anachronistic) political parties and things like the crisis/infamy system don’t make sense at all without the Napoleonic Wars and I wouldn’t trust Paradox at all to put effort into mechanics that aren’t there from game start.
Actually, the second half of the 18th century is exactly when the industrial revolution started, so you'd be playing the very beginning instead of when it was well underway like in Vic2, (of course, talking specifically about the UK here).

As for parties, liberalism has been around since the 17th century, by the mid 18th it sure as hell was a distinguished ideology.
I find that Vic2 can model the most diverse political situations quite well.
For example, absolutism with ruling party only upper house is essentially a king and his council like what's been used in monarchies since forever.
Or only landed voting with appointed upper house being the English parliament since the middle ages.
 
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So i stumbled over this posted on the 10th of feb


Now..black and grey Prussia, is this more end of EU4 timeline or already....

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I just imagine cupcakes flavoured like this:
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irks
 
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So...this was posted with little information, by a guy who doesn't have any track record, from a source that may be shady for all we know, in which he himself says that it's to be taken with a grain of salt.

So yea, this was absolutely pointless.

The speculation continues and I hold my expectations the same as I did last year.
 
So...this was posted with little information, by a guy who doesn't have any track record, from a source that may be shady for all we know, in which he himself says that it's to be taken with a grain of salt.

So yea, this was absolutely pointless.

The speculation continues and I hold my expectations the same as I did last year.
I just speculate for the fun of it.
No use in taking this seriously at all.
 
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I just speculate for the fun of it.
No use in taking this seriously at all.
On the contrary....as the saying goes, "When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout". It won't solve the problem, but it gives us something to do in the mean time.
 
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I think this is the

"New and totally not too serious speculations, inspirations and possible hints on the really nearly worldwide web thread" !!!

HYPE ! ;)
If this isn't a catchy title, then i don't know.

Far better than as if this had turned into another taking itself far too serious 'This is latestet rumour on Vic3 and it totally proves what i said
and wanted it to b
e' threads, of which there are already too many. I'd say use these if you want to be overly serious and write posts as long
as a whole page. Let this be the type of thread that marketing loves and admittedly i do too.
The light content one with a wink.
Now we just need folks in here who constantly surf the web, reddit, discord, Twitter etc and posts the stuff.
If you read this, you are hired !

Just a suggestion..
 
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"Paradox cancelled a game toward the end of the year that hadn't even been announced." :oops:

...


What if this actually refers to..

Diplomacy 2- Infinite Rhetorical Wars
Magna Mundi - Piracy!
East vs West - From Cold to Hot
Runemaster Resurrected - 3D Troll Vikings

These sure would be candidates to cancel..i suppose, no ?...
 
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I think this is the

"New and totally not too serious speculations, inspirations and possible hints on the really nearly worldwide web thread" !!!

HYPE ! ;)
If this isn't a catchy title, then i don't know.

Ooooh! You tease! There's click bait, right there!