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Fancykiller65 said:
The European Axis realize that they are on shaky ground, and having American bombers attacking from Riga is simply gonna blow them up off said shaky ground. Japan is not in this war.
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Shaky ground? It is just their paranoia caused by Allies 1939 landing in undefended Germany.

Germany alone with its 60-70 planes can face the whole allies now. USA has got only 20 planes. Japan and China will be at war soon and it can rebase its air forces anywhere, even to Europe. I think that we all should remember that the Axis is still superior to the Allies+Comintern in terms of manpower, land armies and air forces. Both alliances have roughly 1000 IC now. It is obvious, at least for me, that without the massive US help we are doomed.

So Pepsi is a member of an undoubtedly stronger alliance. Where does the whining come from? If we talk about Japan being crippled by Dave we should ask a simple question? Who crippled it? The guy who built 3 HQs or the guy who built 120 factories and has a prospect of serious lack of resources in years to come?


EDIT: About the events in the next session - Remember that Germany is obliged to DoW SU on 22nd June 41 and Japan must DoW USA on 7th Dec 41. USA can then join the Allies. Japan and China can join the Axis on the 22nd June 41 or any time later. So you will need to disband your Chinese-Japanese-Manchurian alliance to be able to join the Axis. Manchukuo will join the Axis automatically together with Japan because it is a puppet.
 
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. I think that we all should remember that the Axis is still superior to the Allies+Comintern in terms of manpower, land armies and air forces - far superior. Both alliances have roughly 1000 IC now.
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USA+UK+USSR+CAN+AUS+REP.SPAIN+NZ+NED+BEL+FRA+NOR+SA have more MP stockpile than CHI+JAP+GER+ITA+HUN+ROM, this is obvious and saying the contrary is a pure lie...the grow is probably equal, but you had time to accumulate MP for years. For the airforce, it's called "strategic choice". Wonder why you are not speaking about navy. The HQ is useless since HQ doesnt affect other nations units, and i already have enough HQ.

For the IC, allies (with urss obviously) have something like 1200 IC, and a lot of them with free market bonuses (mean around 10%).
Axis have 1050 IC, and with central planning maluses.

60-70 planes is nothing compared to what can produce USA...
 
Do you want me to confirm that you are already doomed or what? We agreed that semi-historical game with China in the Axis is fair. I would have no problem with playing Japan or Germany next time with the same rules. If you remember I even suggested that I would play Germany before this game started but after the rules were set. What is your opinion on people who cry even before they get into battle? So please stop it, ok?

It is obvious that the result of the game depends on reliability, activity, cooperation and devotion of people involved. This is how you win the game, not by throwing accusations around yourself.
 
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LodovicoAriosto said:
Do you want me to confirm that you are already doomed or what? We agreed that semi-historical game with China in the Axis is fair. I would have no problem with playing Japan or Germany next time with the same rules. If you remember I even suggested that I would play Germany before this game started but after the rules were set. What is your opinion on people who cry even before they get into battle? So please stop it, ok?

It is obvious that the result of the game depends on reliability, activity, cooperation and devotion of people involved. This is how you win the game, not by spreading accusations around yourself.
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I'm not complaining about in-game-in-game things, but with off-game things that impacted ingame. Like sub not following clear instructions, guys playing on 25th december and subbing 3 major nations in the game during the same session. We are already 5 to think that this game is going nowhere. Up to them to give their name public or not.

I'm not accusing, i'm pointing facts. facts like you pressuring to get a rep.spain player instead of a hungarian one. You allying rep.spain on 1st january, even if germany was able to kill it during 1940 but not being able to do it because of some rules.
Facts like you waiting 1h30 for a player some sessions ago, while you refuse to wait Dave more than 5 minutes and get a totally new player playing the most important nation in the game yesterday.
 
Pepsi_max said:
We are already 5 to think that this game is going nowhere. Up to them to give their name public or not.
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What do you mean by "nowhere"? If most core players want to start a new one, we can. But I see no reason for doing this. Furthermore, if you are really annoyed, you can quit. But again, is there a serious reason for it?

Pepsi_max said:
facts like you pressuring to get a rep.spain player instead of a hungarian one.
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Hungary was played by a human player. Most of the session there were 6 Axis players against 5 Allies players. Two allies majors were subbed and one Axis power was subbed.

Pepsi_max said:
You allying rep.spain on 1st january, even if germany was able to kill it during 1940 but not being able to do it because of some rules.
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These rules prevent Soviet Union from killing China or Germany in 1936 for example. And they were set before the game. Me or anybody else could not anticipate the result of SCW or slider positions of Spain allowing it to join a faction.

Pepsi_max said:
Facts like you waiting 1h30 for a player some sessions ago
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Because we were only 6 players. That is why we waited for ANYBODY to come.

Pepsi_max said:
while you refuse to wait Dave more than 5 minutes and get a totally new player playing the most important nation in the game yesterday.
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The sub played Germany for half an hour and had no real battles to fight. I accepted your proposal to end sooner to provide Citizen X with enough time to prepare for Barbarossa.

Fancy and Hax (or anybody else) - since you seem to be following this argument I ask to express your honest opinion, please. If you think that the Axis was damaged I can give Pepsi a compensation. But please don't count the damage caused by the rules (which we agreed on before the game), by bad choice of subs or by unexplained absence.


EDIT: Pepsi, for your information - I got total at least 20 dissent from bugs (not smear campaigns, lack of supplies etc.) during the whole game. Last time I suddenly got more than 10 dissent hit when Destroyers for bases event fired. Why? Am I complaining?
 
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Pepsi_max said:
Facts like you waiting 1h30 for a player some sessions ago, while you refuse to wait Dave more than 5 minutes and get a totally new player playing the most important nation in the game yesterday.
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Well the session when France got defeated I crashed in the ending and had some technical problems. They couldn't wait on me 5-10 minutes on their most playing core member but of course they can wait on people that comes and goes in hours.
And that is not the only problem, Myff who now plays SU subbed Italy. He could easily see what the axis had and have surely said to you allies all. Didn't we say that there should be no alliance changes?
+ He lost 1 TAC for Italy! :(

Fancy and Hax (or anybody else) - since you seem to be following this argument I ask to express your honest opinion, please. If you think that the Axis was damaged I can give Pepsi a compensation. But please don't count the damage caused by the rules (which we agreed on before the game), by bad choice of subs or by unexplained absence.
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Well I don't like editing like it was done in the last game(Kaiserreich).
But I can only defend my ally so yes Pepsii should get a small compensation.
Not like 100k supplies or something like that but maybe a blueprint for some techs (unnecessary radar techs researched by sub).
And some resource add-ons for Japan.
 
Hax said:
Well the session when France got defeated I crashed in the ending and had some technical problems.
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Those problems prevented you from saying anything to any of us. Anybody would be left behind in a situation like this.

Hax said:
And that is not the only problem, Myff who now plays SU subbed Italy. He could easily see what the axis had and have surely said to you allies all. Didn't we say that there should be no alliance changes?
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I admit this is my fault. I should not have let him play Italy. As for intel leaks, there was nothing which would help us. I have already had a good insight in your army, airforce, navy and research before ;) But again, I apologize for this.

This makes you the only person who has the actual right to complain in my view.

Pepsi or you have not brought any other consistent claim how the Axis has been damaged in any way beyond their own decisions.

Hax said:
Not like 100k supplies or something like that but maybe a blueprint for some techs (unnecessary radar techs researched by sub).

And some resource add-ons for Japan.
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No resources and techs. I am ready to compensate you with some supplies but I am not here to help Japan overcome its problems with resources. Nobody forced Pepsi to build 120 factories. Also I am not here to compensate Germany or Japan for allegedly(!) bad subs. Did anybody hear Kybernomad shouting hysterically that some sub crippled his country?

So as a gesture of peace I offer you (Hax) 5000 supplies for that lost TAC (model 1936) and other inconveniences.

Anyway, I am going to delete my current dissent (roughly 8%) because it occured by bug. I ignored these bugs for the whole game but no more. And I can assure you that damn buggy dissent cost me MUCH more than one TAC or a few redundant HQs.
 
Hax said:
Well the session when France got defeated I crashed in the ending and had some technical problems. They couldn't wait on me 5-10 minutes on their most playing core member but of course they can wait on people that comes and goes in hours.
And that is not the only problem, Myff who now plays SU subbed Italy. He could easily see what the axis had and have surely said to you allies all. Didn't we say that there should be no alliance changes?
+ He lost 1 TAC for Italy! :(



Well I don't like editing like it was done in the last game(Kaiserreich).
But I can only defend my ally so yes Pepsii should get a small compensation.
Not like 100k supplies or something like that but maybe a blueprint for some techs (unnecessary radar techs researched by sub).
And some resource add-ons for Japan.
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Haxxxx. We were about to end! Waiting for you, would overextend the session.
Yes, maybe a few blueprints would be fair?
Lodo: I have expressed my opinion already on this. Should be on the previous page.
 
LodovicoAriosto said:
So as a gesture of peace I offer you (Hax) 5000 supplies for that lost TAC (model 1936) and other inconveniences.

Anyway, I am going to delete my current dissent (roughly 8%) because it occured by bug. I ignored these bugs for the whole game but no more. And I can assure you that damn buggy dissent cost me MUCH more than one TAC or a few redundant HQs.
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Yes you should delete your dissent if it's a bug. But I don't feel it's honest to get so much supplies.
Give me only 1000 supplies, not more or less...

Fancykiller65 said:
Haxxxx. We were about to end! Waiting for you, would overextend the session.
Yes, maybe a few blueprints would be fair?
Lodo: I have expressed my opinion already on this. Should be on the previous page.
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Then we could have ended so I could next session see the peace events.
Fancy you should defend your alliance players, not attack them...
 
Those unstoppable armored liberators are about to commence the operation "Husky meat". This name is a part of a psychological war for minds and hearts and it was wisely suggested by sir Winston Churchill himself who knows what delicacies the oppresed peoples of Asia like to eat. ;)
 
Any response from citizen ?
 
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