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Ok. I will edit the save after the today's session. But remember that I warned you and recommended to disband your alliance soon enough - you didn't do it.

As you could see in the rules, USA can join the Allies on the 7th Dec 41.

See you on GR in 4 hours guys!
 
Due to massives redeploying problems which would have been created by dissolving the alliance first.
 
Did you know that you wouldn't be able to disband your alliance when at war - before you declared war? If you did, then why didn't you say anything about editing to me when I recommended you to disband before DoWing anyone?

You would have needed more time to prepare for war if you have followed the procedure I recommended to you in case you wanted to join the Axis. When you didn't follow I assumed the earlier attack is more important to you than joining the Axis formally. And then you ask me to edit you in?
 
Did you read what i and mighty wrote ? If we had disbanded the asiatic alliance, it would have led to disastrous things, like massives SR of troops. Editing the alliances is going to create far less problems than if we joined axis separately.

If i wanted to be ready on time, i and fancy would have need to join axis a month before dowing you/soviet union. But given joining axis would have led to war against you, which is forbidden before dowing soviet union, joining axis was impossible, because we would have been at war against you...before being able to prepare for war against you. Unless china is my puppet, which is also forbidden by the rules. So there was no other choice.
 
You could disband, then take some time to reorganize your armies and deploy them only your own territory and then join the Axis. As I told you to do.

Forced SR at peace is no disaster. Plus, you had YEARS to reorganize troops so that they wouldn't be automatically redeployed.


Also, doesn't military access option work in this situation?
 
The only problem is that you could not have Chinese troops in the Japanese territory and vice versa in the start of the war. You call it suicide?

I call it a price you didn't want to pay for avoiding SR problems. I repeat - why didn't you tell a single word about this before you DoWed and after I told you how you could join the Axis?
 
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More supply comsuption, less tech sharing and MP loss due to non-supplying of troops ? And then, forbidding china to put troops in mandchukuo or siam to defend them ?


You're kidding lodovico :). If i say that we werent able to do it in any other way, it's because we werent able to do it. The only way to do it would have been to put china as japanese puppet...but i already said that many times. We even had problems due to china not being japanese puppet, forcing me to put 20-25 divs to do other things than attacking you.
We never complained about it...and the first man who spoke about asiatic joining axis was hax. given only a miracle can make them survive past 42...
 
Anyway, i think that asiatic alliance should join axis after this session, when USA will enter the war.
See you in 1 hour.
 
The rules are clear about this and I told you how you could join the Axis some time before Barbarossa. Of course, you would have some problems but no serious problem. It was the price to pay for joining the Axis. You said nothing about editing in advance.

If you have really taken editing for granted, you could at least mention it. There is nothing in the rules about editing alliances. How could you count on it as a sure thing?

EDIT: I can do this editing if you honestly say that you didn't know or didn't realize that you wouldn't be able to disband alliance when at war.

But if you did it intentionally, then demanding this now is unfair.
 
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Editing wont lead to serious problem...Far less than massives SR and troops deployment.

Editing alliances is the easier way to go, by far. You dont seem aware of the reality. By creating a rule that forbid japan to keep his chinese puppet, you've created an other problem for axis.
 
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Editing wont lead to serious problem...Far less than massives SR and troops deployment.

Editing alliances is the easier way to go, by far. You dont seem aware of the reality. By creating a rule that forbid japan to keep his chinese puppet, you've created an other problem for axis.
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So you tell me I should have said to a human player to stay a puppet (when he doesn't want it) because you are lazy to transport your divs from China soon enough to prevent them from redeploying...and otherwise you have the right to ask for alliance editing? This won't work, man.

Are you really trying to say that you, all of a sudden, have the right to ask for alliance editing - otherwise it is "another problem for Axis"?
 
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Not because i'm lazy to transport the divs from china, but because i wasn't able to do it while :
- Allied but not puppet
- At peace


Sure i can call for it. Merging alliances was not a problem last KR game.
 
Anyway, now that i and my asiatic allies are in a common war, germany can invite us without risk of SR problems.

Edit : but i can't exclude problems. Never tested it this way.
 
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