House of Cards

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wow, you jumped hard there...

I proposed edition because I don't have any problem with them, if you prefer not to edit, we won't edit anything, I'm democratic.

I don't consider you dumb, on the contrary, it's just a misunderstanding so far. Go to page number 6 or 7 and you'll see what we agreed, i copy pasted our last understanding in the previous post after the Flanders issue, i thought we solved this centuries ago, now if you're still complaining, it's obvious you didn't understand what i understood we agreed it seems, as I don't want to have a headache defending so, I prefer to consider our deal null/invalid. We're of course able to make a detailed new one if you feel you want so after our confidence crisis.

About Italy, I thought the 3 provinces i gave you compensated Flanders somekind. wow, what a misunderstanding... well I won't ask them back of course but I feel tricked.

Hungary? I was the one invading France for our mutual benefit, you did little sir, everyone knows that, and for more details I'd never have asked for your help against Oe alone, probably yes if France would have entered, but it was a ghost, I prefer clean wars.

As I read your point of view I regret hurting France and i won't do it again as my enemies seem to be more honorable than my allies :s

I shake your hand, I thank you and good luck. Our countries can follow different ways now. keep Luxemburg as a sign of good will. And you can set german minors free if it pleases you.

 

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Updating stuff.

Session on sunday 23rd, 23CET till 03CET.


List of edits:

-cookies. (deflation if someone hasn't posted any preference); money for Grabah.
-austrian land slider moved to 7.
-english land slider moved to 3.

 

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This is reciprocal when he gets Turenne though. some people keep confussing a vital thing about this game, this is not exactly chess, it's supposed to be unfair, fair or unfair for the foe depending on historical time. well If you, sir Miozozny, think I have to give our advantages up because of morality, I'd probably regret when Napoleon comes back a couple of centuries afterthat, do you catch me there? I think about this game as a wave, it comes and goes, empires rise and fall, power comes and go. Fun is found when we resist these unfair contexts, when we make progress in fair times, and when we make extraordinary progress in unfair times for my foes. Don't forget power is a relative concept; it's cool to win 100 a month though but it'd be useless or bad if all my opponents earn twice or more my incomes...

Good points. Though wars in which one side is a lot stronger are not interesting wars IMO. I prefer to watch wars that are more even.

Alba is a 4450 general, btw. You all can check this and many other leaders' stats in the stat page: http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...c&season=Valkyrie.net XII&lang=eng&choicet=16

445 is very good in the 16th century. Keep in mind that shock rules...and of the countries that are usually played only Spain has one leader with 6 shock (Farnese).

Thank you, Mioz, now everyone is paranoid and we'll probably have a world war... goodbye to my trade investments.

You're welcome

 

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This goes for everyone;

it's obvious issues usually happen in this kind of games. I encourage roleplaying instead of personal disqualifications or tension. Keep in mind this is just a game. I expect a mature and confortable behavior in/out the game for our own convenience and long term playing, that is, to learn from each other, to have fun no matter of the results, to let open the possibility of starting new campaigns, not to fall in improper behavior which would ruin our enjoyable atmosphere, as a summing, to respect each other.

I understand we invest a lot of time to build our countries, but keep in mind we can't get all we want, sometimes we lose, and that shouldn't mean bad attitude or frustration necessarily.

Just reminding what I've learn by playing this marvellous game.

Uls.

 

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Good points. Though wars in which one side is a lot stronger are not interesting wars IMO. I prefer to watch wars that are more even.

445 is very good in the 16th century. Keep in mind that shock rules...and of the countries that are usually played only Spain has one leader with 6 shock (Farnese).

You're welcome

yeah, unfair wars are devastating, nevertheless diplomacy could cover our backs. So do you prefer to watch wars? It is reasonable one prefers to see others stagnate while one's growing, it's indeed a very good strategy.

I agree about Farnese or Alba, they're magnificent considering their context.

 

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wow, you jumped hard there...

I proposed edition because I don't have any problem with them, if you prefer not to edit, we won't edit anything, I'm democratic.

I just said I though Fnuco was against editing. Myabe I didn't undestand Fnuco very well but, then, why didn't you talk about editing Italian exchange or Franco Comté exchange (I had 2 stabbhits to take Italian provinces: military access and same religion).

I don't consider you dumb, on the contrary, it's just a misunderstanding so far. Go to page number 6 or 7 and you'll see what we agreed, i copy pasted our last understanding in the previous post after the Flanders issue, i thought we solved this centuries ago, now if you're still complaining, it's obvious you didn't understand what i understood we agreed it seems, as I don't want to have a headache defending so, I prefer to consider our deal null/invalid. We're of course able to make a detailed new one if you feel you want so after our confidence crisis.

There is no missunderstanding. We agreed on return Luxemburg to Austria and I offered you 3 provinces instead of Luxemburg. You didn't like my offer. OK, Luxemburg will be transfered (it's signed and then sacred for me) but, where did I signed I have to transfer 4 german provinces more?

Do you think that's an intrusion in your german lands. That's exactly what I though when you took almost all of Italy (including 2 CoTs). OK, you fought France but, do you really think I had allow you to do it if we weren't allies :rofl: . Not withouth fighting.

I don't think is needed a new agreement because old agreement hasn't been broken but I tell you again: feel free to friendly close our agreement now if you want (just tell it to me here). I'll transfer Luxemburg anyway.

About Italy, I thought the 3 provinces i gave you compensated Flanders somekind. wow, what a misunderstanding... well I won't ask them back of course but I feel tricked.

It was, what is exactly the missundertanding. Anyway, do you realy think I had allow you to take the whole Italy for you if you weren't my ally?

Hungary? I was the one invading France for our mutual benefit, you did little sir, everyone knows that, and for more details I'd never have asked for your help against Oe alone, probably yes if France would have entered, but it was a ghost, I prefer clean wars.

Maybe, but public defensive agreements and Spanish army and fleet helps. Ops, wait a second, clean wars? I forgot it was you who request me to increase my armies because you were afraid of OE (everyone can see it in game grafics).

As I read your point of view I regret hurting France and i won't do it again as my enemies seem to be more honorable than my allies :sQUOTE]

You attacked France by your own interest. I was not afraid of France and i didn't ask you for any NAP. You signed NAP by your own interest and included my without talking to me before. I accepted because I didn't have interest in attacking France. I have been absolutely honourable, what is exactly what I didn't respect from our agreement?

What did I exactly get with our agreement? You should have to leave Netherlands or Italy by event. You're also keeping Luxemburg you broke our first agreement selling Flandres and Artois. So what did I exactly get? Should I think you we're giving me a present. I'm a newbie but not a stupid :rofl: .

I shake your hand, I thank you and good luck. Our countries can follow different ways now. keep Luxemburg as a sign of good will. And you can set german minors free if it pleases you.

Do you want to break our agreement? It's OK if you want, you have my permission to do it so it won't be dishonourable. But I must say you decide to break it, I didn't break it. Indeed I'm going to transfer Luxemburg anyway because it was signed (unless you prefer an exchange).

 

[Duque Alesandro]

Do you want to finish our agreement? Just sign here:

France and Austria agrees on breaking his previous agreement.

[X] Spain
[ ] Austria

 

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Do you want to finish our agreement? Just sign here:

France and Austria agrees on breaking his previous agreement.

[X] Spain
[X] Austria

signed. I break this deal because Spain decided not to give Netherlands up to me as we signed in page 6-7, not for unilateral decision though.

 

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Maybe, but public defensive agreements and Spanish army and fleet helps. Ops, wait a second, clean wars? I forgot it was you who request me to increase my armies because you were afraid of OE (everyone can see it in game grafics).

Appart of not even trying to read what we signed, or even understand what i put in my previous post today, i consider your justifications as thin air.

But this comment needs clarification since it affects my relations with OE. I suggested Spain to rise sails because France and Oe had more than 200 sails together, I did suggest so for your own security, not mine, you're the one having isles and most of Italy. I can defend myself. By saying this, I end this conversation.

Keep Luxemburg, afterall you wanted it. I'm not recentful.

 

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wow :wacko:
troubles in paradise
this is expected and welcomed! (from game quality point of view o )
perhaps some foreign spy mastermind stand behind this?
(just trying to inflame paranoia )

and about province transfers, i personally like editing way (one of very rare cases where i approve editing) but since we started this campaign with 'province selling is to be done via fake wars' policy, we should continue that way)
and default cookie is gold, not deflation. witch i will take.

btw uls you got mail!

 

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(everyone can see it in game grafics).

if by this you mean reading private messages in history log i have to remind you that this is considered cheating, or at least a exploit, please don't do it.
i think you can read only hosts private messages, right?

 

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The Swede-Austro Understanding of 1560.


1. Austria will respect Pommer's independence.

2. Austria will respect swedish allies, vassals. Austria renounces to claim, ally, annex, vassal any scandinavian or baltic province.

3. Sweden will respect austrian allies, or vassals. Sweden won't take further german provinces. Sweden renounces to claim, ally, annex, vassal any polish province.

4. Austria will respect monopolies in the swedish Centers of Trade (off the record: be patient you'll have one soon by event!). Sweden will respect monopolies in the Austrian Centers of Trade.

5. Austria is unable to embargo Sweden. Sweden is unable to embargo Austria.

6. NAP between Sweden and Austria until 1600. It can be extended verbally.

7. Point 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 last until 1600. It can be extended verbally.

[X] Kingdom of Austria

[ ] Kingdom of Sweden.


This will end the naval race.

 

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if by this you mean reading private messages in history log i have to remind you that this is considered cheating, or at least a exploit, please don't do it.
i think you can read only hosts private messages, right?

With the host save, I think everyone is able to read everyone's dialogues. It's cheating of course.

 

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btw uls you got mail!

where? here or in hotmail? resend it again please.

 

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oh sry.
i wrote you pm after our last session but it seems it wasn't sent.
can you log on to icq for couple of minutes?

 

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The Ottoman-Austro Understanding of 1560.


1. Austria will respect monopolies in the Ottoman Centers of Trade. The Ottoman Empire will respect monopolies in the Austrian Centers of Trade.

2. Austria is unable to embargo OE. OE is unable to embargo Austria.

3. Podolia is able to be claimed by the ottomans from Poland, anytime.

4. NAP between Austria and the Ottoman Empire until 1600. (which can be renewed verbally in the future).

[X] Kingdom of Austria.

[ ] The Ottoman Empire.


would you like to renew this?

 

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The French-Austro Understanding of 1560.


1. Austria will respect monopolies in the french Centers of Trade. France will respect monopolies in the Austrian Centers of Trade.

2. Austria is unable to embargo France. France is unable to embargo Austria.

3. NAP (peace pact) between Austria and France until 1600. (which can be renewed verbally in the future).

4. France and Austria will let Helvetia to remain independent. It can't be allied, vassalized or annexed.

5. Alsace will remain independent. same terms as Helvetia.

6. Austria renounces to claim dutch or french provinces.

7. Frances renounces to claim german provinces.

8. Every point can be renewed verbally after 1600.


[X] Kingdom of Austria.

[ ] Kingdom of France.


Will this make you feel safer?

 

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So do you prefer to watch wars? cough cough you like them to stagnate till the last consequencies meanwhile you're growing, it's indeed a very good strategy

Hmmmm...well, I am liking fighting wars more and more...but I agree the most profitable wars are wars between others. I personally didn't have that as strategy...but others may

 

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The French-Austro Understanding of 1560.


1. Austria will respect monopolies in the french Centers of Trade. France will respect monopolies in the Austrian Centers of Trade.

2. Austria is unable to embargo France. France is unable to embargo Austria.

3. NAP (peace pact) between Austria and France until 1600. (which can be renewed verbally in the future).

4. France and Austria will let Helvetia to remain independent. It can't be allied, vassalized or annexed.

5. Alsace will remain independent. same terms as Helvetia.

6. Austria renounces to claim dutch or french provinces.

7. Frances renounces to claim german provinces.

8. Every point can be renewed verbally after 1600.


[X] Kingdom of Austria.

[X] Kingdom of France.

 

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The Swede-Austro Understanding of 1560.


1. Austria will respect Pommer's independence.

2. Austria will respect swedish allies, vassals. Austria renounces to claim, ally, annex, vassal any scandinavian or baltic province.

3. Sweden will respect austrian allies, or vassals. Sweden won't take further german provinces. Sweden renounces to claim, ally, annex, vassal any polish province.

4. Austria will respect monopolies in the swedish Centers of Trade (off the record: be patient you'll have one soon by event!). Sweden will respect monopolies in the Austrian Centers of Trade.

5. Austria is unable to embargo Sweden. Sweden is unable to embargo Austria.

6. NAP between Sweden and Austria until 1600. It can be extended verbally.

7. Point 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 last until 1600. It can be extended verbally.

[X] Kingdom of Austria

[ ] Kingdom of Sweden.


This will end the naval race.

I apologize, sir, but I cannot accept this proposal for a number of reasons.

First, Pommern is a shadow of her former self, broken by the armies of your alliance and waiting to be annexed whenever your ally Poland deems it convenient to do so. Offering her up to me as a hostage seems pointless now.

Second, you have no sphere of influence in the majority of the Baltic region beyond Danzig. Venturing north of that point on the Baltic coast will place you beyond your reasonable boundaries and I suspect that other nations will not look kindly on such wreckless and greedy expansion.

Third, what is meant by Sweden "won't take" further German provinces? Does Sweden need Austria's approval to annex Oldenburg, a Swedish vassal, and her two German provinces? On the same note, due to my first protest, I place Pommern under my care as a fellow Protestant nation. I will not have your unruly allies attack and annex or vassalize a Protestant nation, in this specific case, on the brink of failure. I will also not agree to any of your requests regarding Poland, particularly if she interferes in Pommern.

Your economic requests are reasonable enough and I would stand by them. But your claims in northern Germany and Poland are too much. I may be lecturing a giant on these matters, but that is where I stand. Let it be known that Sweden desires peace, but will not be subdued by unreasonable demands. Sweden is open to reasonable negotiation on the matter and awaits your reply.