How about giving the Byzantines an Empire Reform panel?

[Dakka]

Why not just represent it with a Government mechanic ? The idea is cool though!

I think the Byzantines would be a cool subject for one of the focal points of a future DLC. Lots of room to flesh out mechanics, reforms, troops, and the mission tree and really delve in to the fantasy "rebuild The Empire" trope. I know it's usually not great to invest in nations that either don't exist at game start or are doomed to die most games but I feel Byzantium may be exempt from that.

Just a thought

 

[Fusilliban]

Oh, a lot of people don't know about this.
If you make the Orthodox vassal a majority after signing the 'Westphalia Treaty', the Imperial Religion will be converted to Orthodoxy.

I thought that post-Westphalia, Imperial Authority for religion just fired off of "do you have the same religion as the emperor" ?

 

[howlling]

I thought that post-Westphalia, Imperial Authority for religion just fired off of "do you have the same religion as the emperor" ?

(Sorry, it's in Korean, but try using the image translation. This is a picture of the Hussite conversion to the state religion.)

Basically, as you said, the state religion of the empire follows the religion of the emperor.
but...
1) Religions other than Catholic / Protestant / Reformed churches accounted for the majority,
2) When the Westphalian Treaty was signed

At all, the state religion itself is judged to be converted, and only that religion (for example, Hussite/Orthodox) is selected as emperor, and I know that heresy penalties are also received the same as Catholics/Protestants.

Unfortunately, Paradox didn't assume this, the icon remained the same as a dove.

 

[Tydeus Cicero]

Byzantium is not the main character anymore. If they survived and rebuild it would probably be like any other state at the time so abstract government reforms work fine.

Starting in a disaster can work, but you are kinda already having a disaster with the turks at knocking.

You can even mimic Ceaser if you reform in to an republic and do the military dictatorship reform.

 

[marxwasright]

I remember the EU4 devs for a long time seemed to be "anti-byzaboo" if that makes sense, under Jake and others. Whenever there was a demand for Byz content they just pointed to the incredibly old Purple Phoenix dlc. Has this changed at all? The fact remains Byz is one of the most played countries, and it would make complete sense to cater to Byz players.. if you can get over the distaste of them, haha

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

I remember the EU4 devs for a long time seemed to be "anti-byzaboo" if that makes sense, under Jake and others. Whenever there was a demand for Byz content they just pointed to the incredibly old Purple Phoenix dlc. Has this changed at all? The fact remains Byz is one of the most played countries, and it would make complete sense to cater to Byz players.. if you can get over the distaste of them, haha

Honestly from what I can tell pointing out that Byzantium probably shouldn't get special content in a Great Power focused DLC will get you labelled at "Anti-Byzantium" in here.

 

[marxwasright]

When EU3 was initially released the start date was 1453, just to bypass Byzantium. This eventually changed, but wouldn't surprise me if they try the same thing with EU5, only to change it later (due to massive protest)

 

[Dakka]

"anti-byzaboo" if that makes sense, under Jake and others.

Yeah Jake liked to poopoo on Byz but Idk if it was a genuine dislike or memeing. Kind of the same sentiment as Johan being anti-Prussian Blue

 

[howlling]

Honestly from what I can tell pointing out that Byzantium probably shouldn't get special content in a Great Power focused DLC will get you labelled at "Anti-Byzantium" in here.

Maybe it would be right to release a new mini DLC exclusively for Byzantium like the 'Purple Phoenix' DLC.

As far as I know, the 1.36 patch is a patch for the Middle East, but in fact, the Byzantine Empire is obviously strange to be a Middle Eastern culture... It feels like a bonus that goes along with the patch.

Of course, if it comes out as a dedicated DLC, it will take longer to renew the old Byzantine mission, but it will patch a little in 1.36.

 

[Dakka]

Maybe it would be right to release a new mini DLC exclusively for Byzantium like the 'Purple Phoenix' DLC.

Or just renovate the old one and make it into a full immersion pack

 

[Slaytanic]

I remember the EU4 devs for a long time seemed to be "anti-byzaboo" if that makes sense, under Jake and others.

Ah, good days those were.

 

[Dakka]

Ah, good days those were.

Right, who didn't love the "three buttons" mechanic spam on everything and incorporating memes into the game rather than paying attention to things the game actually needed

 

[bokorthedust]

Right, who didn't love the "three buttons" mechanic spam on everything and incorporating memes into the game rather than paying attention to things the game actually needed

You mean Domination DLC in a nutshell? Seems like it came out yesterday. Oh, wait...

 

[DominusNovus]

More of an EU5 kinda thing, but there should be some larger “Empire of China” type mechanic for the various claimants to the Roman Empire. Anyone who gets close to restoring the Roman Empire can engage with the mechanic, and a few countries could have privileged access: the Byzantines, Ottomans, and/or the Holy Roman Emperor.

 

[Dakka]

You mean Domination DLC in a nutshell?

I will admit I did involuntarily cringe a bit when they first said they were doing them again, but at least this time it's tied a little more into what is going on with your nation instead of just push button to win more. Or maybe I'm just numb from the last time that I'm willing to be more forgiving this time around.

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

I remember the EU4 devs for a long time seemed to be "anti-byzaboo" if that makes sense, under Jake and others. Whenever there was a demand for Byz content they just pointed to the incredibly old Purple Phoenix dlc. Has this changed at all? The fact remains Byz is one of the most played countries, and it would make complete sense to cater to Byz players.. if you can get over the distaste of them, haha

Dude, by 1444 reality is "anti-byzaboo". They are at best a rump state.

 

[Tydeus Cicero]

More of an EU5 kinda thing, but there should be some larger “Empire of China” type mechanic for the various claimants to the Roman Empire. Anyone who gets close to restoring the Roman Empire can engage with the mechanic, and a few countries could have privileged access: the Byzantines, Ottomans, and/or the Holy Roman Emperor.

If the focus of the Eu5 is rebuilding the Roman Empire yea. The HRE was never about rebuilding Rome. Russia as the third Rome was never about rebuilding Rome. It was just for prestige and bragging rights.

Large empire mechanics should be universal, abstract and with regional flavors. With the biggest different being a colonial empires and a continental empire.

 

[DominusNovus]

If the focus of the Eu5 is rebuilding the Roman Empire yea. The HRE was never about rebuilding Rome. Russia as the third Rome was never about rebuilding Rome. It was just for prestige and bragging rights.

Large empire mechanics should be universal, abstract and with regional flavors. With the biggest different being a colonial empires and a continental empire.

There should be something to represent China, and if anyone on the otherside of Eurasia rebuilt Rome, then there should be something to represent that.

 

[Tydeus Cicero]

There should be something to represent China, and if anyone on the otherside of Eurasia rebuilt Rome, then there should be something to represent that.

Why? What roman institution is not present in most of europe? Most of them "fixed* the sucession problem and serfs worked alot better then slaves.
Rome could keep legions because it had the money and need to keep a standing army with profesional soldier. Which happends again in eu4s timeline.

The Manchu didn't rebuild China in the same way say Castile can form Rome. Qing is not that different from the original Qi in how things are done and structure. The chinese civilisation is literally build different compaired to Rome.

I agree China should have something to represent it, but it should not be the same thing as any other empire.