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Shadowstrike

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I'm currently playing agame as France. After several sucessful wars against Spain, England and Turkey, I have quite a bit of territory. Not wanting to wreck my badboy rating just yet by annexing all the Germanic states, I'm starting to think about building my economy. My question is, how can I get colonists? And when do I get an explorer?

I could convert to Protestantism, but I'm already rock bottom on stability thanks to a political crisis when I'm at war with every major power except Poland, Russia and Spain. Anything else I can do?
 
Build a shipyard. That will at least get you one colonist per year.Not much , but it is a start.
 
And conversion would be a good idea: you don't lose anymore stability, your alliance stays intact and you gain a lot of gold. But beware of the revolts!!!

Colonists come:
+1 protestant, counter-catholic and orthodox.
+2 reformed
+1 shipyard
Was it sunni or shiite as well? Anyone to clear that one?

Colonial dynamism. About in 1550-s you will get 1 extra colonist per year thanks to it. Later on it will increace a bit.
 
Shipyards require a ridiculously high Naval Tech level, 16 I think. If you haven't seen any explorers or conquistadors yet, you're nowhere near that level. But check your message setting and your capital/major ports to be sure a nifty leader didn't sneak into the game without your knowledge (happened to me).

But for shipyards, the Spanish have a nice one in convenient Andalucia...if it happens to be lightly defended...and you happen to be at war... It's also within nice striking distance of Madrid, which would help make future Spanish wars almost trivial (moreso if you can take Toledo, too). Who cares about the permanent casus belli such possession would give them, if you hold a gun at their head. In the regular CG, Ragusa also has one, but that is a little out of your way and would involve an expensive (to Badboy) annexation; but the ICG removed that one anyway, if you're playing that version.

I'm not necessarily recommending Protestantism for France, but if you're thinking about changing to Protestant...now is the time to do it. Your stability can't get any worse and that's really the biggest hit to conversion. Also, if you're already that low on stability, you might as consider doing all the other nasty things that hit stability: raise the 6-month war taxes at a minimum, the additional penalty is non-existent; if there is anyone you've been meaning to attack, might as well do it now (but you need -2, rather than -3 to do this); even attacks against people you've got the 5 year peace (this will also effect your reputation, but the religion change is going to send some relationships toward -200 anyway). And, actually, being at war while converting is somewhat helpful...you don't seem to lose the alliances and vassals (not sure if it is a bug or a feature), which also seems to translate into a smaller relations penalty, and the loss of fewer diplomats. But remember, Protestants recover stability a bit slower than other nations (do you have a Fine Arts Academy, that helps a lot).

I don't buy into the theory that if you're targetting Calvinism, you should wait and do both changes at once. Since France is predominantly Catholic, I would assume the motivation for changing religions would be the extra settlers. So why lose 30+ settlers waiting around for a religious event? 30 years is plenty of time to resurrect your stability IMHO (although it'll be a bit slower since most of your provinces will still be Catholic - I think the latest patch gives an extra penalty). After conversion, you should max out stability, anyway.

The easy answer to settlers, though, is be patient. France should be getting a few, once its colonial dynamism starts to kick in. The number changes, and I believe it gets fewer than the other major colonial powers, but if you combine it with Calvinism and Andalucia...you should have no problems.
 
The thing is that I've only got naval tech 5, have no explorers/conquistadors, my armies are decimated after England, Austria and alliance buds jumped me while I was off fighting in Greece, and I'll be the first to convert... Oh and its 1515....

I don't expect to be able to explore for a while, so should I hold off converting? Or should I try to attack England and try for a rutter? I know they have a colony in Manhattan.... (from the little sailing boats that I've seen from Anglia, which is just a stone's throw from the French fort in Dover :D)
 
Me, I'd convert now...the colonists are precious. But I've been focusing on the colonial game, recently. If you've got a bunch of extra turf, sounds like you're focusing on the military game, so the colonists may be less important to you.

If you're badboy rating is the highest, and you don't have any forced peace agreements, and you convert, I suspect you will be attacked. So waiting may be advisable. But if you've finished a war, and have the 5 year peace agreements (which are NOT iron-clad, by the way), that's also not such a bad time to attack. Or if you have a few extra provinces you don't mind losing to the alliance leader...(might help lower you're badboy, if it's too high, also).

By the way, I'm not convinced that the first to convert is actually any more likely to be attacked than simply anyone of a different religion...but my observation set isn't big enough to be very confident.
 
Protestant is good for higher techs and incomes as well...

Reformist gives too many colonists, and you can't do anything with them because you can't afford it.
 
Originally posted by Alyosh
Shiites are supposed to get 2 extra colonists/year. But they don't :p (at least not in the version I have...)

This was changed AFAIK before the game was released. The reason was that it lead to a very strange development with Persian/MAM colonies in India & Africa for instance.
 
With France you will get your fist explorer in 1521 I believe , and 3 others before 1530. Each will bring a colonist along. That will allow you to start a nice expansion abroad.
Plus, you can also seize other Spanish colonies and build your empire that way.
 
Its 1551 now.... I converted a while ago, just after a war with England, Spain and Venice... Nice war too, I netted 3 provinces. Anyhow, stability is slowly coming back up, and with my 2 colonists a year (1 from Ragusa shipyard, the other from Protestant) I'm painting the American seaboard in blue....