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Reinar Erlund said:Just that english was the culture.. it would seem
Well, one of the older screenies does show Essex having English culture. However, I think it's more likely that they ditched English culture (or rather, combined various western European cultures into Frankish) somewhere down the way than that there is a religion called "Frankish Catholic".
Väinö I said:
Isn't it ever MORE likely that they at Paradox thought that the English Kings would still be more Frankish then English? Sounds more likely then English and Frankish being joined in unholy union or that there is some weird "Frankish" kind of Catholicism...
anti_strunt said:Isn't it ever MORE likely that they at Paradox thought that the English Kings would still be more Frankish then English? Sounds more likely then English and Frankish being joined in unholy union or that there is some weird "Frankish" kind of Catholicism...
Might be. On the other hand, would the early English kings really deserve any income/manpower mauls in England proper? I though that William managed to get the kingdom pretty well under his grip during his lifetime.
I remember something about a frankish state church and its special relationship to the frankish king. When Carolus Magnus/Carl the Great was crowned about 800 as emperor it meant a huge gain of influence from the papal side. I have found a german internetsite where a frankish state church is mentioned, but since most of you can´t read it ... . Believe me or not.
ps.: I dont know if thats really the reason why the pic is underlined with frankish catholc, just guessing, only know of a relatively independent western church and this might refer to that fact
. Believe me or not.ps.: I dont know if thats really the reason why the pic is underlined with frankish catholc, just guessing, only know of a relatively independent western church and this might refer to that fact
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Duke of Saxony said:I remember something about a frankish state church and its special relationship to the frankish king. When Carolus Magnus/Carl the Great was crowned about 800 as emperor it meant a huge gain of influence from the papal side. I have found a german internetsite where a frankish state church is mentioned, but since most of you can´t read it ...
I can.
Got a link for it?
As somebody has mentioned above, I think it refers to the fact that the king is of Frankish descent, and a Catholic. At least that was how I read it at first glance.Duke of Saxony said:
The Leper King said:
I suppose this would be a bad time to point out that it's a game and not a simulator... :rofl:
But seriously: I also interpreted "Frankish Catholic" as meaning "Frankish culture, Catholic religion". I think the Roman brand of Catholicism had supplanted all the other variants in the west of Europe by this time; I've heard of a so-called "Celtic Catholic" church from the early centuries AD, but I'm almost positive it was extinct by this time. So apart from the occasional heresy, Western Europe ought to be pretty well Roman Catholic.
Wouldnt it be easy if the powers that be, would reveal the sublime truth to all us igorant?
Except if im right that is, since so few agree.. and that would cause great distress.. which by association proves my theory right
Except if im right that is, since so few agree.. and that would cause great distress.. which by association proves my theory right
MacRaith said:
It's never a bad time to point that out around here.
That's the Irish Catholic Church, which is significantly different from the Roman one. They had great influence in Northern England until the Church synod in Whitby in 664, where IIRC the English clergy decided to stick with the Roman variant and the Irish decided to withdraw from England.MacRaith said:
It was still alive in Ireland, though, and I believe it remained so until the religious conflicts in England following the Reformation.
The English kings at this time were quite French, also known as 'Frankish'. For example, in Age of Empires II, there was no 'French' civilization, you were the 'Franks'. People are reading too much into this.
*Plots to somehow create a Frankish Orthodox monarch*
*Plots to somehow create a Frankish Orthodox monarch*
Hyzhenhok said:
IIRC, the 'Official' language of the English Royal Court is (or was for a long, long time) French.
MacRaith said:
So I shouldn't be upset if they put Scientology in as a religion either because it's not a simulation.
Ubersandwich said:
One of the reasons why it makes sense for the King of England to be Frankish.
AKjeldsen said:I can.
Got a link for it?
As somebody has mentioned above, I think it refers to the fact that the king is of Frankish descent, and a Catholic. At least that was how I read it at first glance.
Even a Duke has to sleep sometimes
. Ok, have found an english web page wich describes the relation between church and charles and the frankish empire and the pope. Not the best but, here it is:http://www.stevesachs.com/papers/paper_karolus.html
The german site is really nothing for people with a very positve view on medieval church and christianisation. I dont know how much of this site is fact and how much result of tainted view on the church. Last warning, its
!german!
http://www.derhain.de/GeisselDesKreuzes.html
It seems that the franks were christianised by lots of anglo-saxon missionaries(Bonifatius was from Wessex) and that rome had little influence on them till carolus magnus, but that due to "lex salica" charles saw the franks as god chosen and himself as kind of sword of christianity and also as legitimate in its cause as the pope (the HRE Emperors had also that claim). I guess that lots of this thinking was taken over by the normans and i agree that there wasn´t a real english culture at the early CK time at least for the kings, but a mixture of anglo-saxon and frankish norman culture.
Ps.:After what i read about the christianisation of the saxons by charles it seems that the crusade idea was not quite new in 1096.
Ubersandwich said:
Until Henry VIII, I think.
The Leper King said:
Of course not. Loosen up, guy!
Czack said:I guess that every region had its own version of christianity. In scandinavia they told us vikings that Jesus was a mighty warrior that foght without a shield. "The White Christ" (roughly traslated). The main reaso to become christian was that you only had to pray to one god. And ofcourse the fact that they game you a white shirt if you were baptized
Well, the Christ Triumphant wasn't exactly confined to scandinavia. In many late romanesque and early-to-mid gothic crucifixes this can easily be seen: Christ is portrayed as a strong, healthy man with the Crown of Victory on his head, almost casually leaning on the cross in the background. In late gothic art(post black death) the Suffering Son gains predominance, with the emancipated christ hanging miserably on a cross, bleeding from the Crown of thorns.
Many scandinavians feel that we are somehow special in being converted from paganism(some even believe paganism to have been a religion for a "proud and free" people, not the aristocracy-supporting power-monopolizing foggy schismatic chaos it in all likelihood was), and that our warlike ancestors(who were just as warlike after conversion) were somehow tricked into being christian. That was hardly the case. Christianity was, overall, a great boon for the north.
EF
The Leper King said:
sigh... If you can't tell an obvious joke when you see one, perhaps it's time to take a break from posting until you get your perspective back. Seriously.