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Kathandis

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So How do I win this and Defend against the Grey Joys? I have found no Guides and Hell even cheating temporarily to see what happens if do win Does not work (Since Theres 16k Mercs in the Clash of Kings start) So can anyone please Help. And please Dont spoil anything from the Books or what happens if I win.



(Before I goto bed for the night I should probably add this I just want a guide for surviving and winning the first 2 wars nothing else.)
 
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First, if the GreyJoys join you, you probably already won, if not, don't care about them, simply let them siege some provinces in the north, you will come back and kill them, don't worry.

So, this is my opening move: go against the Lannister army in Harrenhall if you are lucky you can win 2 or 3 battles against them, in the mean time, send a gift to your grandfather and give Honorary titles to him and to your more powerful vassals and increase the Crown Autorithy.

After winning the last battle against the Lannisters (before their armies combine) disband, wait a few days and rise the levies, , you should have enough men to go directly to Kingslanding and take the red Keep and win the war :)
 
Ditching the Freys for the Tyrells is a gamechanger for Robb, the Reach has enough manpower to let you roll over the Lannisters and the Throne Troops, and usualy after winning some good battles one of the other lords like Vale or Dorne may declare for you aswell.
 
AIs don't like to do marriage offers when you have the "In Command" modifier on due to you leading armys because its a temporary - fertility bonus.

So, you take Robb off his army for like, a week or two to arrange the marriage. I think you can do the feast while hes in the army.
 
I usually break the Frey bethrothal, and marry Arianne of Dorne. You can also take down the levies which are already raised, gain some more "opinion" with your grandfather, and then raise them again. (Very little + in opinion can give a lot more riverlander troops)!
 
I've found that usually your best bet is for the Greyjoys to join you, as Tywin takes most of his men to fight them. Then you fight whatever he leaves behind and raise your levies again and march on King's Landing.

AIs don't like to do marriage offers when you have the "In Command" modifier on due to you leading armys because its a temporary - fertility bonus.

So, you take Robb off his army for like, a week or two to arrange the marriage. I think you can do the feast while hes in the army.

Thanks for the help. I'll try it now to see if it works.
 
You can also marry Dany and get her dragons.

with the current patch your looking at close to two or three years for her to take Meeren and unlock her fertility and dragon rider, and odds are dany might insist on a matrilineal marriage, and if she takes one of the Pentos shortcuts theres a good shot that she gets hooked with Aegon and her fertility is somewhat worse, and shes still claiming the iron throne.

and you have to wait because she wont marry until she loses widowed, assuming that her quest doesn't lock her against marriage until she divorces Hizadar or abandons the slaver citys.
 
You could draw the Iron Throne's attention towards you until Stannis wins, it's very risky though. Then you can continue waging war against Stannis, and everyone hates Stannis, so alot more people will join your side.

I did that accidentally. After the marriage with Margaery (Which worked out amazingly well, my heir has both the attractive and quick traits), I recalled my levies, and by the time I called them into the war, Tywin had somehow amassed many doomstacks and Mace Tyrell got most of his army killed by Tywin. As all the Iron Throne murderstacks were in my territory, nobody was near King's Landing and Stannis took it.
 
I have played through with Robb several times. After the latest CKII patch, he's easy due to AI quirks and the way the megawar system works. You don't need to break the Frey betrothal unless you really want to. Here's how to win:

Before unpausing, set your initial stack to move to Harrenhall, if you want an event. There is a larger Lannister stack there, but it will disband as soon as the game starts.

With any luck, the ironborn will declare war on you. This is what you want because now you are fighting a defensive war. The latest patch gives your vassals an opinion boost and that means more troops for you, over twice as many as you had at the beginning. After the event at Harrenhall fires, move your stack to your territory. Disband the stack and raise your levies again. Order all of your troops to group up at Winterfell.

You are completely ignoring what is going on in the south for now. While your troops are moving to Winterfell, the ironborn will land somewhere in the north. They have less than half your troops, so start chasing them down. Be careful of attrition and make sure that you are using a couple of stacks to corner the ironborn. Wipe their entire army out.

Meanwhile, the Lannisters are busy sieging your lands in the south. The warscore against you is starting to mount. Stannis or Renly should have declared war against Joffrey. It's usually Stannis. If you are lucky, the Tyrells will have gone over to Joffrey's side. Yes, that is another enemy. But, it's an enemy with smaller stacks. They too will usually be sieging your lands. After destroying the armies of the ironborn, it's probably time to head south. Be careful. You are looking for a smaller stack of troops to pick off. Don't let the big Lannister armies corner you. Just win a battle, relieve a siege or two and get the warscore against you down a bit.

The ironborn will land reinforcements in the north at some point. This will be far fewer troops than they originally had. Again, leave the south and go to confront them. Corner them and wipe them out again. Right around this time you should get a message that Stannis or Renly won the war against Joffrey. Because of the megawar system, Joffrey's allies were so busy sieging your lands that they completely ignored the Baratheon stack sieging King's Landing. Oops.

You should have a large enough warscore against the ironborn to white peace out of that war. Do so. You have no boats to go and finish them off so don't waste any more time with them. Because you have stalled against the south, you should still have a large amount of troops. It's now just you against the Baratheons. The other lords don't tend to help them. March on King's Landing. Many of the smaller vassals will join you, but it doesn't really matter if they do or not. You should have more troops then the other side at this point. Victory is only a matter of time. Watch out for Young Griff though. Stannis or Renly will surrender to him after a battle or two. If he wins, a certain someone in Essos will join his war and you might not want that. You should have more troops than him, so take them out when you see them.

Basically, Robb is easy. You just need to stall and wait for Joffrey to lose. Trying to win as Joffrey is much more difficult. Your allies have large stacks of troops, but they are content to siege random territories in the Riverlands instead of coming to relieve the inevitable siege of King's Landing. Stannis or Renly will have more troops than you, so there is really is not much that you can do.
 
with the current patch your looking at close to two or three years for her to take Meeren and unlock her fertility and dragon rider, and odds are dany might insist on a matrilineal marriage, and if she takes one of the Pentos shortcuts theres a good shot that she gets hooked with Aegon and her fertility is somewhat worse, and shes still claiming the iron throne.

and you have to wait because she wont marry until she loses widowed, assuming that her quest doesn't lock her against marriage until she divorces Hizadar or abandons the slaver citys.

Tried that in the previous version, and boy... did that turn out ugly. She turned out to be a real b*tch. I did burn Tywin though.
 
I actually had a successful game experimenting with doing the early split as Robb does in the novel. It took a couple of unusual quirks though that don't always happen.

First, it should be noted that the Lannister army that was coming to reinforce Tywin was leaderless. I split the force at Riverrun 50/50 and sent half against the larger, but leaderless army in the west and half against Tywin's force....which, as noted, always disbands now.

The larger army with no leaders attacked the Blackfish's force around Golden Tooth and was soundly beaten (only possible to catch them there if you move FAST). I had enough for two pursuit battles which took chunks away from them, and then sent that force to besiege Casterly Rock. That effectively draws both the Iron Throne and the West's armies back toward the Rock since they don't want to lose that province.

Robb's force beat a few smaller forces that had split from Tywin, picked up Arya at Harrenhall, and then doubled back, and caught Tywin's force as it was making for the Rock. In the battle Robb was wounded but he captured Tywin. I then sent Robb's army west and used the combined force to seek and destroy Lannister levies.

I wrecked all that I could find, made for the Riverlands, and then disbanded for a few weeks with my warscore being about at the 50% range. The re-raising restored about 3k-4k more men. I marched the whole army north and beat the snot out of the Ironborn, who had lost a great deal of men on siege attrition. By this time, the Reach was in the war for Joffery, but they seem to act stupid when fighting. They frequently try to split their men and launch sea attacks around oldstones. I easily dispatched two armies they tried this with costing them about 20k total.

After that I killed a re-raised Lannister army and marched on KL. I had around 10k men at that point, but they were unopposed there (which is unusual). I captured Joff, left KL to the first that would occupy it and marched home. I executed Joff, Jaime, and Tywin and let the rest go. Only annoying thing about it was that Joff had married Sansa to some d-bag in the Vale and I couldn't get her to come back (since she hates Robb due to claim rivalry).
 
Alternatively to all that above.

If you are getting your butt kicked on the warscore due to occupations, select the Riverlands and grant them independence. It erases all the occupation negatives, creates an indepent Kingdom that is not involved in the war as a large buffer, and puts some distance between you and the Iron Throne, allowing you to deal with the Ironborn and rest your levies. I've only tried this a few times and it doesn't seem to add a ticker against you. Let events play out in the South. I actually held out in this manner long enough for Aegon to come back and get involved.

You lose half your Kingdom, but hell....who needs anything south of the Neck.