How to get piety?

[Flammehav]

I can get up to 0,8 a month(or 0,6 really, becouse of a trait). But that isn't really alot. If at war I'm negotioaning with muslims and I need 25 piety just to suggest peace. Ofcourse there is a one time bonus of 25 while building a church, for 200 ducats, wich equal to about 8-9 months of saving. othervice events seem to be more into lowering it than raising it.

So how do I get higher piety? Takeing land from the moors on the iberian penninsual doesn't seem to work.

Also what is it used for? I haven't found any other use than offering peacedeals so far.

Same with prestige. My king got well over 400 prestige now, but I have no ide what to do with it. Will it stay with my kingdom when he die or will it disapear in thin air?

 

[Hawkeye1489]

Piety is used to keep you in good standing with the Church. It is also a factor in the PC excommunicating you. In order to excomm a ruler as the PC, the Pope's prestige has to be greater then the piety of the ruler.

Prestige works as an added bonus for vassal loyalty and is also the currency for manufacturing claims on all titles.

Maybe I'm playing wrong but I thought piety had nothing to do with peace? The onlything that matters is a rather abstracted war score which, IIRC, the player can't see.

EDIT: And to answer the original question, one of the fastest ways of getting piety is to create bishoprics in your territories

 

[TempestDK]

I can get up to 0,8 a month(or 0,6 really, becouse of a trait). But that isn't really alot. If at war I'm negotioaning with muslims and I need 25 piety just to suggest peace. Ofcourse there is a one time bonus of 25 while building a church, for 200 ducats, wich equal to about 8-9 months of saving. othervice events seem to be more into lowering it than raising it.

So how do I get higher piety? Takeing land from the moors on the iberian penninsual doesn't seem to work.

Also what is it used for? I haven't found any other use than offering peacedeals so far.

Same with prestige. My king got well over 400 prestige now, but I have no ide what to do with it. Will it stay with my kingdom when he die or will it disapear in thin air?

Piety: Well church donations are good for a steady "income" ... and beating on infidels is a good way too .. especially if there is a crusade going on.

The best way for an immediate boost is to grant Bishoprics to any ecclesiastically educated courtiers. They grant piety depending on the income of the province with a minimum of 150 (I believe). This is a one-off bonus, and bishoprics do not give a reduction in BB because of this, though having higher piety helps reduce BB over time. If you grant another title to an already appointed bishop, it is treated as a county (no piety boost, but one-time a BB reduction). If you grant a bishopric to a new bishop you get the piety bonus again.

High piety also keeps your ruler from being excommunicated by the PC, as the popes usually have low prestige (popes can only excom anyone with less piety than he has prestige).

Prestige: You use prestige for loyalty bonus for vassals and courtiers, so in that respect it is pretty important. You also use prestige to claim titles of other christians.

Prestige is not transferred to your heir, so it is a good idea to make sure he gets some if possible before inheriting, by giving him one or more titles.

 

[Flammehav]

Prestige: You use prestige for loyalty bonus for vassals and courtiers, so in that respect it is pretty important. You also use prestige to claim titles of other christians.

Prestige is not transferred to your heir, so it is a good idea to make sure he gets some if possible before inheriting, by giving him one or more titles.

I should wait to do that until he is 16 right? Only got one son, that isn't an inbreed or a bastard, so I really hope nothing happens to him. I had no ide, my wife was my cousin or something. I can't see the grandparents at the start of the game and I took her from a place I didn't have any claims to. I'll watch it better with my heir though.

How much prestige do you need to claim a countie, duke or kingdom, and if I claim a title, but never actually get the provinces needed before I die, will my heir still have claims to that title?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

How much prestige do you need to claim a countie, duke or kingdom, and if I claim a title, but never actually get the provinces needed before I die, will my heir still have claims to that title?

The prestige-cost of a county depends on the richness of a county and your difficulty-level, f.e. on 'normal' the cheapest will be 150 prestige on 'very hard' it will be 600 prestige.

Duchies and kingdoms have a base-cost (1,000 for duchies I believe) and then it increases with the number of vassals, duke-/kingtitles that character has.

If the character is excommunicated then the prestigecost is only about 10% of what it normally is.

If the character is your rival then it is halved.

Claims are inherited by your new ruler.

 

[TempestDK]

Claims are inherited by your new ruler.

This means that if your ruler is 72 years old and have 4000 prestige, it might be a good idea to use some of that prestige before he dies to claim interesting titles you might want later in the game. That way the prestige is sort transferred to your heir, who don't have to spend prestige claiming those titles.

 

[Arko]

This means that if your ruler is 72 years old and have 4000 prestige, it might be a good idea to use some of that prestige before he dies to claim interesting titles you might want later in the game. That way the prestige is sort transferred to your heir, who don't have to spend prestige claiming those titles.

be carefull in that. claims give you Bad Boy and BB is inherited too (even if a little part is thrown out at inheritance)

 

[Flammehav]

In the tooltip is says Piety is supposed to go up by 0,6 pr month, 08 from curchdonation and -0,2 from traits. But instead it keeps going down, why?

Also I build 2 moneylenders and took over another 7 provinces wher they was already build. They give 10% increase so that is nice. I know that they are supposed to reduce piety by 2 pr year, is that why the piety is still shrinking?

Also I got like 6 events with monelenders attrackts something in the last year. The damn things didn't come with that warning, just the -2 pr year. Is there anyway I can either remove that event or tear down the monylenders? A few monelenders is not worth loosing 25-50 piety a year over. (With only 1 I got 2 in 30 years, with one of them, that was bad enough, but now I get several a year and it's totally crippeling me).

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

In the tooltip is says Piety is supposed to go up by 0,6 pr month, 08 from curchdonation and -0,2 from traits. But instead it keeps going down, why?

Also I build 2 moneylenders and took over another 7 provinces wher they was already build. They give 10% increase so that is nice. I know that they are supposed to reduce piety by 2 pr year, is that why the piety is still shrinking?

Also I got like 6 events with monelenders attrackts something in the last year. The damn things didn't come with that warning, just the -2 pr year. Is there anyway I can either remove that event or tear down the monylenders? A few monelenders is not worth loosing 25-50 piety a year over. (With only 1 I got 2 in 30 years, with one of them, that was bad enough, but now I get several a year and it's totally crippeling me).

The fact that your monthly-piety goes down comes from the moneylenders, having moneylenders will reduce your piety. This is not told in the tool-tip.

Change your law to 'church supremacy' this will give you events that remove the moneylenders and at the same time gives you a piety-bonus.

Each province with a moneylender will reduce your piety with 2 per year, so 9 provinces makes that -18 per year or -1.5 per month.

 

[unmerged(133776)]

I had no ide, my wife was my cousin or something. I can't see the grandparents at the start of the game and I took her from a place I didn't have any claims to. I'll watch it better with my heir though.

For inbreeding, it depends on which game you're playing.
If CK, anyone with the same 'Dynasty' name as you will have chances of producing inbred children.
If CKDV, anyone who shares 2 grandparents will give a chance of producing inbreds (so maybe you and her share grandparents on the Maternal side of the family).

In the tooltip is says Piety is supposed to go up by 0,6 pr month, 08 from curchdonation and -0,2 from traits. But instead it keeps going down, why?

Also I build 2 moneylenders and took over another 7 provinces wher they was already build. They give 10% increase so that is nice. I know that they are supposed to reduce piety by 2 pr year, is that why the piety is still shrinking?

Also I got like 6 events with monelenders attrackts something in the last year. The damn things didn't come with that warning, just the -2 pr year. Is there anyway I can either remove that event or tear down the monylenders? A few monelenders is not worth loosing 25-50 piety a year over. (With only 1 I got 2 in 30 years, with one of them, that was bad enough, but now I get several a year and it's totally crippeling me).

Those moneylenders will reduce your Piety each year as stated, plus if you're playing with 'Church Supremacy' laws, you're more likely to get those 'Piety reducing' events (not sure if the same holds true if you're have Zealous/Crusader traits, but it's possible).

Once those Moneylenders are built, you can't tear them down. With Church Supremacy you should get events to remove them, otherwise you'll have to give away those Provinces and pick up Provinces that don't have them (if you aren't able to create more Bishoprics or go Crusading to keep a decent level of Piety).

Edit: And Ninja'd by Veld once again.

 

[Flammehav]

Is there anyone that know where that event is saved? It's impossible to take on muslims lands without loosing shitloads of piety afterwards, becouse they all have moneylenders. I can bear with the slow pietyloss they give, but the events is just stupid. Especially since they happens all the time.

I've been looking, but I can't find the file it's in, so if anyoen can point me in the right direction I would be very gratefull.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Is there anyone that know where that event is saved? It's impossible to take on muslims lands without loosing shitloads of piety afterwards, becouse they all have moneylenders. I can bear with the slow pietyloss they give, but the events is just stupid. Especially since they happens all the time.

I've been looking, but I can't find the file it's in, so if anyoen can point me in the right direction I would be very gratefull.

You can find the events in C:\....\Paradox Entertainment\Crusader Kings\db\events\religious_events.txt

But instead of removing the event, why not just change your church-law to church-supremacy. That law will remove the money-lenders and will give you extra piety.

 

[Flammehav]

You can find the events in C:\....\Paradox Entertainment\Crusader Kings\db\events\religious_events.txt

But instead of removing the event, why not just change your church-law to church-supremacy. That law will remove the money-lenders and will give you extra piety.

I think about it. I'm just so fed up with that event. If it had fired once every few years ok, but it can fire like 4-6 times a year and totally destroy any chance you got of haveing a positive piety.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

I think about it. I'm just so fed up with that event. If it had fired once every few years ok, but it can fire like 4-6 times a year and totally destroy any chance you got of haveing a positive piety.

Because allowing moneylenders to exist is not very pious. Lending money against interest was a sin in those days.

If you want to be a pious ruler, change your church-law to one that pleases the church.

 

[unmerged(66419)]

.. just find the Holy Grail. =D (instantly became an Irish Papal Controller)