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I have trusted all the games I have played on my hosts, I got the feeling we all are adults and we just play to have fun 
Aye, I feel honesty and personal maturity is required to participate in this community. If someone doesn't have these, rather basic, traits maybe this someone should avoid eu2 mp. Cheating is not mature, nor honest.the_genius said:I have trusted all the games I have played on my hosts, I got the feeling we all are adults and we just play to have fun
Insults can be flung in the heat of a game, but I feel it's a completely different thing to waste everybodys time on a game by cheating.
Yeah, the way i see it, cheating is totally and completely against what eu2 is about. There are no stats, win percentage and such, as in AoE and those games.the_genius said:I have trusted all the games I have played on my hosts, I got the feeling we all are adults and we just play to have fun
You are measured by skill and the way you are perceived by fellow players. Cheating completely kills off the enjoyment of this.
BoDoi said:
What do you mean?
It is a fact the save is not encrypted, nor is it in binary form. This is something we are very happy about because editing of the save greatly enhances the gaming experience. There are numerous kind of edits that we appreciate we can make.
Thus we "allow" the GM to do these edits, edits which he always tells about in the game thread.
But I have never heard of anyone "hacking" the files. If the GM "hacks" the exe file the other players cannot join his game (some kind of check sum test of your exe-file is made when you try to join a host, yours and his must be identical, else you are not allowed to join him).
That's enough talking about who is supposed to be a cheater and who not for now.
I advise all who have suspects against an editor to use the tips I listed in the first post and leave it at that.
I advise all who have suspects against an editor to use the tips I listed in the first post and leave it at that.
Just went through the entire thread. It's a pity that someone has to resort to cheating in EU2, but putting them on a black list is ridiculous. Also, there are many cheaters who cheated during the game (infamous AI bankruptcy cheat) who have been pardoned and are still playing. If it wasn't for a watchful eye from one of the players, nobody would have noticed! And people also defended that person before it became known he deliberately cheated.
I can only speak for myself when I say that I have no problem with playing with the so-called cheaters as long as they aren't the host or the GM. I would definately keep both my eyes on them and check the state of their nation by comparing the saves (prior to session and after session). But I would also allow them to play just not in a position where they have power (GM or host).
That being said, I hereby also advocate for a list of MP cheats to be posted so that people know which cheats there are around; like the AI bankruptcy example above. It is ridiculous and beyond words that there are some who wish this not to be published. Arguments like if it would be known, people would use/do it more is just ludicrous. The chance of capturing cheaters would be 100% if people knew where to look for.
Post a sticky with those cheats please!!!
I can only speak for myself when I say that I have no problem with playing with the so-called cheaters as long as they aren't the host or the GM. I would definately keep both my eyes on them and check the state of their nation by comparing the saves (prior to session and after session). But I would also allow them to play just not in a position where they have power (GM or host).
That being said, I hereby also advocate for a list of MP cheats to be posted so that people know which cheats there are around; like the AI bankruptcy example above. It is ridiculous and beyond words that there are some who wish this not to be published. Arguments like if it would be known, people would use/do it more is just ludicrous. The chance of capturing cheaters would be 100% if people knew where to look for.
Post a sticky with those cheats please!!!
Err, that is an exploit, not a cheat.Nagel said:
When you cheat, you manipulate the savefile. Since the possibilities are endless when it comes to possible edits, its not really practical to have a list of cheats.
Exploiting such things is in my book also cheating. So, if I understand your words, you wouldn't mind if people used that exploit ingame? Also, with the cheat aka exploit list, I don't mean 100 examples of editing a savefile. Just editing a savefile is 1 cheat. No need to say, putting in extra merchants, extra money, etc... I would have thought that to be obvious.Mulliman said:
ArmOrAttAk said:
It is some Russian exploit, that signs peace with an AI and bankrupts it on the same day, probably best to not know the exact details as people cannot exploit if they don't know how.
Ill tryDr Bob said:
.Loan out cash to AI, get interest on the loans. DoW before the loan runs out and take all cash. The AI will then also repay the loans you just stole the cash for
.Doesnt work as well anymore though, since the AI has a tendency to default loans.
I wouldnt call it a cheat. Its an exploit, but not as good as in earlier patches.
EDIT: Never performed this myself though.
Mulliman said:Ill try
Loan out cash to AI, get interest on the loans. DoW before the loan runs out and take all cash. The AI will then also repay the loans you just stole the cash for
Doesnt work as well anymore though, since the AI has a tendency to default loans.
I wouldnt call it a cheat. Its an exploit, but not as good as in earlier patches.
EDIT: Never performed this myself though.
hehe, nice edit there
And stop corrupting peoples minds, doesn't really sound like it would work though as the AI will spend all your money surely?
Mulliman said:Ill try
Loan out cash to AI, get interest on the loans. DoW before the loan runs out and take all cash. The AI will then also repay the loans you just stole the cash for
Doesnt work as well anymore though, since the AI has a tendency to default loans.
I wouldnt call it a cheat. Its an exploit, but not as good as in earlier patches.
EDIT: Never performed this myself though.
AFAIK you can only claim about 2500 that way, not 20k that rumours would have it that someone did.
Before, it would, since the AI was forced to repay the loans.Dr Bob said:hehe, nice edit there
And stop corrupting peoples minds, doesn't really sound like it would work though as the AI will spend all your money surely?
And yeah, now that i think about it, you should invade asap after the loan has been accepted by the AI.
And anyway, i think its better that people know of the exploits so that they can identify them.
IIRC is was a little over 30k accumulated in just 5 years. And last time it happened in MP, at least known to me, was this year with vanilla 1.09.Bodvar Jarl said:
Nagel said:
yeah, I remember that incident, if I am not terribly wrong here, you can't get that much money the way Mulli suggested as there is a cap on how much you can gain in a peacedeal.
Bodvar Jarl said:
That's right. The funny part is that in the log it shows up like this:
Code:
"August 14, 1625 : Mameluks accepted peace with Ottoman Empire on the following terms : Return to Status Quo."
"August 14, 1625 : Mameluks went bankrupt!"And I am not sure how much money can be gained, but it's a lot more than 2500.
