I'm doing a single-player 1492 scenario as Portugal. Persia seems to be annoyed with my predations on her neighbors and my monopoly of Ifsahan, and has shut me out of that trade center. I've tried a war, hoping I could make lifting the embargo a condition for peace, but apparently not. How can I reverse the embargo, short of controlling the province of the trade center?
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Declare war and crush it! If you gain advantage of the war, controling provinces (eventually taking provinces during the PT) or asking money during the PT, they will re-open the CoT. You must win the war.
But if you sent a lot of merchants 5 years after, they will probably close the CoT again. Better thing to do, conquer its CoT
But if you sent a lot of merchants 5 years after, they will probably close the CoT again. Better thing to do, conquer its CoT
If you win the war (ie. demand things rather than offering things, or making a white peace) then lifting the embargo is an automatic, additional demand. This also applies to anyone you embargoed from Tago who beats you in a war, and you won't be allowed to re-embargo them for 5 years while the peace treaty is in effect.
It seems to me another option is needed in the game. On the same menu with the Trade Embargo there should be a request or demand to lift an embargo, with such factors as the number of the offending nation's provinces under blockade or under control being considered in whether the embargo is lifted -- in other words, I shouldn't have to demand a province in order to get an embargo lifted. And it shouldn't cost a level of stability to counter-embargo.
it doesnt cost a stab hit to counter an embargo, if you are at war. As France, i was embargoed by Sp, England, And wanting some colonies of theirs, i declared war. while at war i embargoed them and their allies, without any stab hit. I conqured the CoT and took it in a peace offering, but kept the embargo against those countries. I was able to monopolize it easily. I liked it so much, i took some CoTs from Port and Netherlands in india and pacific. Beucoup bucks! Talk about having your cake and letting them eat it
I dont think the new option is necassary, if you dont want land, take some money. You prob wont get all $250, and you can always use it.
I dont think the new option is necassary, if you dont want land, take some money. You prob wont get all $250, and you can always use it.
It never costs stability to embargo someone if you're at war with them at the time. The stability hit is more to do with upset merchant classes in your own country who don't like you interfering with their trade: if you're already at war with someone that's hardly going to bother them, since they also don't like being massacred on the trading floor by enemy spies posing as merchants
Re: Re: How to stop an embargo?
Thanks,.. "TO ARMS " !!!
Does this hold for them as well ?
Thanks,.. "TO ARMS " !!!
Does this hold for them as well ?
Yes it holds for them as well.
By the way, another peace option that does not remove an embargo is a forced conversion.
By the way, another peace option that does not remove an embargo is a forced conversion.
I can't check from here, but I think invoking embargoes cuts your trade tech investment, stab hit or not.
However, the extra income from easier monopolies could well cancel it out.
However, the extra income from easier monopolies could well cancel it out.
You mean ONE whole DUCAT (every month, admittedly)
Does Japan get hit with this, or is that a special case?
I don't think it does, but the Edo center of trade becomes almost totally worthless, so their research would be cut close to zero anyway.
Remember that once you've hit trade tech level 10, it doesn't matter how many ducats are being docked from your research budget, since you're not researching it any more
Going back to my previous post, I have a suspicion that a White Peace actually lifts embargoes on both sides (if they were in place), contrary to what I originally thought. In any event, you can go to war and get the embargo lifted without demanding provinces: just take whatever gold they have available instead. Free money is always good
In regards to the embargo effect on trade investment...
If you embargo a single country you get a -1D/month penalty on trade tech investment. If you get the random event that embargoes everyone, you get -95D/month (or -98 or -99, whatever) - a very significant amount. However, someone posted a remark in some thread that this penalty is not actually applied - in other words, there is no trade tech investment penalty for embargoing other countries. No idea, myself, but the poster was very confident about it.
If you embargo a single country you get a -1D/month penalty on trade tech investment. If you get the random event that embargoes everyone, you get -95D/month (or -98 or -99, whatever) - a very significant amount. However, someone posted a remark in some thread that this penalty is not actually applied - in other words, there is no trade tech investment penalty for embargoing other countries. No idea, myself, but the poster was very confident about it.
Trade embargoes
When you get the random event that embargos all nations in the game, it does not afffect your reasearch. If it did, you would have 0 research in trade for the period of the random event. It doesnt happen.
But for the normal embargo that you apply yourself, it does affect trade reasearch. Then again, if you have a COT on Taiwan, with all of the chinaware going trhough it, I say embargo everyone.
When you get the random event that embargos all nations in the game, it does not afffect your reasearch. If it did, you would have 0 research in trade for the period of the random event. It doesnt happen.
But for the normal embargo that you apply yourself, it does affect trade reasearch. Then again, if you have a COT on Taiwan, with all of the chinaware going trhough it, I say embargo everyone.
The random event ones doesn't effect tech inderdeed. Otherwise a 1 ducat drop is quite bearable.
Not during wartime, I guess. While at peace, well, I guess the stab hit that accompanies an embargo provides a good reason not to embargo too many countries at once anyway.
Nope ... standard practice for any large badboy empire is to embargo everybody whenever they declare war at you, so you can have your twenty-seven huge colonial CoTs all to yourself. I've managed to have every single country in the world embargoed by me, except for the two vassals I had at the time (who were also my only allies).