How will political parties be handled in the game? Is there going to be a Tinto Talk about them?

[Azgabeth]

Although political parties become more widespread towards the end of EU5's time frame and after.

There are still some significant players in the world's history which had political parties during the game's time frame. That is to say, there has to be some form of representation for them.

England's Whigs and Torries,

The Dutch Republic's Organist's and the Staatsgezinde.

They both begin some time around the 17th century, so there's another ~200 years to the game's end date in which there are proto political parties.

Then you have the United State's Federalist and Democratic-Republican parties which happen around the 1792. That's still 45 years of party politics to play with.

Let's not even mention the Clubs of the French revolution.

I realize it might not beentirely within the scope of the game for release, but will there be something at least for DLC?

There is an alternate world out there where more nations adopt the parliamentary system of the English and there's a lot more political parties by 1837

 

[pheonicia]

I doubt there will be any.

 

[Kaspar Osraige]

I doubt there will be any.

I would prefer the framework to be there even if it's barebones for modding reasons.

 

[pheonicia]

I would prefer the framework to be there even if it's barebones for modding reasons.

I don't even know what they would look like though, more estates? Factions (eu4 style)? Building based countries that can only operate within your country?

 

[AHumpierRogue]

Seems like the sort of thing that could be covered by a DLC later down the line; I agree that politics outside of strict estates would be nice to explore at some point and that seems like a good oppurtunity for an expansion.

 

[ero_sk]

How will what?

 

[Briloner]

I would rather have estates potentially split up, e.g. burghers for the netherlands or clergy for different religions. (Are not dimmies clergy for the others in moslem countries?)

But parties are nothing but vehicles for (power-) group, which can be modelled by estates already.

Do you remember Vic3 before release? The forum had its hair on fire, because there were merely power-groups and no parties.
And because the forum moaned and cried and screamed, the devs overthere included parties.
And after release the consense was, that parties were not essential after all.
In a game of the 19th century full of parties!
(Vic3 and its parties might have changed, but my point stands)

 

[Sithodox2286]

It would be good if "parties" are included as part of "Paliaments". Then, we would be able to build all sorts of "paliaments" to represent court politics in large empires.

 

[Sirbab]

I strongly suspect this is something the game wouldn't touch until like dlc 6. Political parties I don't think were very relevant until the latter half of the period.

 

[Linbot#6018]

Court politics is like orders of magnitude more important to have as a game feature than political parties. That's what the devs should be working on, not a feature that is only important for like 3 countries in the very latest period of the game time span.

 

[SAmaster]

Although political parties become more widespread towards the end of EU5's time frame and after.

There are still some significant players in the world's history which had political parties during the game's time frame. That is to say, there has to be some form of representation for them.

England's Whigs and Torries,

The Dutch Republic's Organist's and the Staatsgezinde.

They both begin some time around the 17th century, so there's another ~200 years to the game's end date in which there are proto political parties.

Then you have the United State's Federalist and Democratic-Republican parties which happen around the 1792. That's still 45 years of party politics to play with.

Let's not even mention the Clubs of the French revolution.

I realize it might not beentirely within the scope of the game for release, but will there be something at least for DLC?

There is an alternate world out there where more nations adopt the parliamentary system of the English and there's a lot more political parties by 1837

The Tories and Whigs became more formalized over time- initially they just meant 'the party currently in power (the King's party) and the opposition'. Hence the British used the term 'the Loyal Opposition' because they didn't want to abolish the Monarchy- in a political sense they played the devils advocate.

For the USA- the party system also took several decades to really form. Initially you had the Federalists and Anti-Federalists, who supported and opposed respectively the formation of the current Federal Government, as opposed to the Articles of Confederation Government (who notably couldn't afford to pay the Army). While Washington was the only real 'Apolitical' President in history, the Democratic-Republican Party didn't really have the same kind of political cleavage you see today, hence why both the Republicans and Democrats owe their heritage to it. Now, by the 1830's I'm less sure if things had been formalized by that point- I do believe that's when slavery started becoming a dividing issue in the country, and we would have seen the Whig party (which would end up collapsing and reforming into the Republican Party due to the Whig's lack of a clear stance on Slavery).

 

[blue0china]

I vaguely recall that, quite some time ago, a developer mentioned in the comments section of an early Tinto Talk that political parties would not be included, as that was considered more of a Victoria thing. Of course, it’s entirely possible that my memory is mistaken.