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A multiplayer game with a German player and me the Russian player. We did the unholy alliance event and went to war against the rest of the world.

At about 1941 my consumer goods demand was at about 170 but I was giving it well over double that because I had huge dissent. As soon as my dissent went down to 1% or so, I dropped my goods production to just over 170. A week later my dissent was up to 12%!! I was shocked to see that my consumer goods demand was now at 370!! It went up by 200 in just one week.

So I raised my goods production up to about 400 and waited. Soon my demand for goods slowly started to go down lower and lower with each week that passed. After several months it was down at a reasonable 190. But then it happened again. For no reason at all my goods demand jumped up again, this time to over 390!!

What the heck is going on here? This KILLS my economy. My total IC's were about 900 and I am forced to pay 400 for consumer goods.
 
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robertcop said:
when at war, your cg is lower. if you then annex a country, so that you no longer are in a state of war, your population demands more cg.
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NOPE. we have been at war with about 20 countries since 38. I even tried declaring war on some more countries to see if the game somehow "forgot" that I was at war. It didn't work.
 
Ok I think i know whats causing this. After looking at the save russia has 40% war entry. It must have gone down from 100 all the way to 40 and this is what caused the consumer goods demand to skyrocket. Why did it go down?

Could it be the fact that I am "at peace" with the axis, and new countries are going to war against the axis? or maybe because the axis just lost a bunch of VP's? Does this normally lower russian war entry?

The fix for this bug is to "lock" russian war entry at 100% when they are at war, or when they join the axis.
 
Brock Landers said:
Ok I think i know whats causing this. After looking at the save russia has 40% war entry. It must have gone down from 100 all the way to 40 and this is what caused the consumer goods demand to skyrocket. Why did it go down?

Could it be the fact that I am "at peace" with the axis, and new countries are going to war against the axis? or maybe because the axis just lost a bunch of VP's? Does this normally lower russian war entry?

The fix for this bug is to "lock" russian war entry at 100% when they are at war, or when they join the axis.
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The axis loosing VP's will cause your WE to fall for USSR as well. That could be the explenation.

Ghost_dk
 
Ghost_dk said:
The axis loosing VP's will cause your WE to fall for USSR as well. That could be the explenation.

Ghost_dk
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Yep that must be it. This feature needs to be disabled for when the USSR is in the axis.

Mods? Can we mark this BUG and make a note of it?


Also, Tuva and mongolia are still in the commitern eventhough the USSR is not. When the unholy allience event happens the soviet allies should join the axis.
 
YokoZar said:
I thought communist countries were supposed to ignore the war entry stat in all circumstances...hmm...


But, eitherway, something is screwy here.
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The USSR (only) has a hidden WE score - it affects CG requirements the same way the US's WE score does. Those are the only two countries affected that way.
 
czolgosz said:
The USSR (only) has a hidden WE score - it affects CG requirements the same way the US's WE score does. Those are the only two countries affected that way.
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Like the US, it should default to 100 if they're at war, though :)

Ok, I think we have enough here to get official bug recognition. I wonder if this happens to the US too...
 
Sorry but I have to keep bumping this until I get a response. This is a HUGE bug and can even be game breaking (at least in multiplayer anyways). I already figured out exactly what causes the bug and it should be pretty easy to fix. Any country who is at war, needs to have its war entry locked at 100%.
 
Agreed and bumped ;)

FYI, i also had this problem in SP as SU when awaiting the inevitable Barbarossa.
Suddenly in March 41, CG-demand rose to 70% or so. Doing the war-cheat only helped for a short time, CG-demand rose again !? Things were going well for Germany, so I don't know what caused this...
 
Long Lance said:
Suddenly in March 41, CG-demand rose to 70% or so. Doing the war-cheat only helped for a short time, CG-demand rose again !? Things were going well for Germany, so I don't know what caused this...
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Actually, that is what caused it - for some reasons annexations lower the war entry score.

This makes some sense, except for the Soviet Union, who should be getting more and more worried about German success, rather than less inclined to enter the war.
 
But in most games I played for SU that went in a similar way this did NOT happen, this happens only sometimes.

So, unfortunately, it's not that easy...
 
I dont think this is a bug *at all*

Commies and Nazis joining forces and declaring war on the world, then you complain because your population does not support the war (as represented by the low WE and the high demand for consumer goods)? Please.


And I dont think we should have separate rules for what would happen if USSR joins the Fascists.
 
Long Lance said:
But in most games I played for SU that went in a similar way this did NOT happen, this happens only sometimes.

So, unfortunately, it's not that easy...
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Well, my mistake, I need to clarify: I never had the unholy alliance. It just happened to me when playing quite historical. Somtimes, perhaps one game out of 5.
 
Hortlund said:
I dont think this is a bug *at all*

Commies and Nazis joining forces and declaring war on the world, then you complain because your population does not support the war (as represented by the low WE and the high demand for consumer goods)? Please.


And I dont think we should have separate rules for what would happen if USSR joins the Fascists.
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I would like to point out that I too have seen the SOV CG jump up and down for little apparent reasons, very wide swings too. I noticed this in SP in a CORE game, and marked it down as a CORE problem most likely.
 
Hortlund said:
I dont think this is a bug *at all*

Commies and Nazis joining forces and declaring war on the world, then you complain because your population does not support the war (as represented by the low WE and the high demand for consumer goods)? Please.


And I dont think we should have separate rules for what would happen if USSR joins the Fascists.
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I just gave the unholy alliance example in the first post because I thought that might be what was causing this HUGE BUG. Well its not. It can happen to any country at any time. It will almost always happen to the Russians regardless of if the unholy alliance event fires.

And also, dissent is used for "population does not support the war". Consumer goods demand has more to do with the switch over from a peace time to a war time economy. It has nothing to do with public opinion.
 
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