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I begin before the first world war to give a full picture. (I will also give few maps to demonstrate the writings.)

After we fought for the freedom in 1848 we lost the war, but got partial autonomy in Austro-Hungarian Empire. Hungarian territories (including full Transilvania, Slovakia, Croatia and nowadays' north Serbia) were clearly part of Hungary. This is historical Hungary. As the A.H.E. lost the first world war, Hungary lost about 2/3 of its territory. The most of Hungarians thought and think that Trianon was unfair with Hungary and they demanded the full revision. That's why we went into the WW2. Germany supported only partial revision (the true ethnical borders). We got back some territories from Slovakia, Romania, and Yugoslavia.

Therefore I have these suggestions:

1. Please give Hungary claims on full historical Hungary.
2. The event system should enable Germany to give back all territories also maybe with an option to set up Nationalsocialist goverment in Hungary and alliance. (The game should not support this higher than 2% chance) In this case All of victim countries (Czehslovakia, Romania, Yugoslavia) should have an event to say no to changes (options: force them - war; or leave them - no changes with that country, maybe the chance of choices should be 50-50%). With this event those countries should go closer to allies or Sovietunion in ideology. Remember, this is an unhistorical event, and the chances were low, this is a risk to begin a war, so Germany would choose this if Hungary would give full support. (Maybe there can be some trade agreement on resources later.)

Here are the maps:
Historical Hungary:
http://historicaltextarchive.com/hungary/map8.gif

Trianon Dictat:
http://historicaltextarchive.com/hungary/hungtria.gif

Revision before and in WW2, with ethnical territories:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/images/hungary.gif
 
wow, is it manditory for all Hungarians to complain constantly about the land they lost? My friend always says how Hungary deserves half of eastern Europe heh.

Why not just mod it in yourself?
 
GuangxiClique said:
wow, is it manditory for all Hungarians to complain constantly about the land they lost? My friend always says how Hungary deserves half of eastern Europe heh.

Why not just mod it in yourself?
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Pffft I fail to see how a Hungarian land claim is any less relavent then alternative Spanish government outcomes, and I certainly read no complaint in the request for either. Perhaps you could present YOUR moded Spanish files now and show us all just how easy it is, hmmm? :rolleyes:
 
GuangxiClique said:
wow, is it manditory for all Hungarians to complain constantly about the land they lost? My friend always says how Hungary deserves half of eastern Europe heh.

Why not just mod it in yourself?
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Sadly I cannot, actually, I'm not a nationalist, just in history between two wars there were really strong nationalist and revisionist politics not depend on left or right wing. Not long after WW1 the Hungarian Soviet Republic formed after the Russian revolution, and even they attacked the Slovakian territory. Possibly the historical pacts (Wienna Dictats) should make Hungary to lose the non-Hungarian claims, I guess now we wouldn't have significant revisionists if we could keep the Hungarian populated territories.

Have you been to Hungary?
About almost 1/3 of population wears "big Hungary" sign on their cars. I would say it's not really correct behaviour most because it questions the legitimisation of Slovakia. And now our second big party half-silently supports the nationalist and revisionist thinking. Sadly not everyone knows here that revision is now just a dream without any political chance.

I think the game AI should support these options:
Historical borders: (95%)
Give nothing to Hungary: (4%)
Give back everything as I wrote down (1%)

Actually Germany had a good chance to get an ally in Hungary, with partial revision we went into world war without doubt (after Teleki failed to keep Hungary out of war).
 
Big Hungary

Yes, I've often wanted to recreate the A.H.E. in HOI2, but find that historical claims (and thus non-national province status) is a big stumbling block. I think Hungary is much better suited to recreate the A.H.E. than Austria, although perhaps they should get claims on Austria and Czech areas in orde to be able to do so. After all, the A.H.E. was together since the late 1600s and only broke apart less than 20 years before the start of HOI2 (though I admit they did have nationalist problems and were barely holding together when the first world war broke out).

Rader
 
Hungary in HOI2

Actually on that note, I always give as much of the historical territory back to Hungary when I play the Germans. I never install Tiso in Slovakia and instead partition with Hungary. I give them huge chunks of Yugoslavia and Rumania if I conquer those contries. I always prop up Hungary as one of my main allies. Sometimes I give them chunks of Poland too.
 
arader said:
Yes, I've often wanted to recreate the A.H.E. in HOI2, but find that historical claims (and thus non-national province status) is a big stumbling block. I think Hungary is much better suited to recreate the A.H.E. than Austria, although perhaps they should get claims on Austria and Czech areas in orde to be able to do so. After all, the A.H.E. was together since the late 1600s and only broke apart less than 20 years before the start of HOI2 (though I admit they did have nationalist problems and were barely holding together when the first world war broke out).

Rader
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Nice goal actually, but I never heard about any movement in 20th century in Hungary what wanted to restore the A.H.E. under Hungarian controll, but really those who thinks that Hungary had claims only ethnical borders and even a little bit interested in history please read about Hungary between the wars. The claims are real, and we had slim hope to get back everything, I'm sure that those times most of Hungarian would give their live to get back the historical territories. Everyone felt that Trianon was not a fair dictat for Hungary. Nowadays still many of us think the same. The differences are that: Someone thinks that revision is still possible. But most of us know that it has no sence after more than 80 years. Not by war, not by diplomacy.
 
I personally fail to see why Hungary should ever get to keep territories that not only were not Hungarian (ex Croatia-Slavonia) but were vehemently opposed to the annexation and had several human rights violations pitted against them as well. I've always wanteds to see a AHE in hoi2 but I don't know what must be done in order to get Hungary and Austrai to reunite. I was told there is an event to represent it, albeit a small chance of it happening. I also do not know if I have to be Hungary or if I can pull it off as Germany.
 
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