I have only one 88 for phase A in my deck for 1v1-3v3. Does it mean that I'm half done from the start of my every game?
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I have only one 88 for phase A in my deck for 1v1-3v3. Does it mean that I'm half done from the start of my every game?
Planes are strong, especially in A cause there is less AA on the ground in this phase but in 1vs1 with a player putting pressure on you, it'll be very difficult to save 190 points to get planes to kill things in the first phase. It is a big 2 tick investment for the 100 points per tick you get in phase A. 88's have also the huge advantage of doing AA AT and HE at the same time and you'll lack proper AT on the ground without them. I mean sometimes, long range AT is needed, if your opponent is doing proper recon you'll not have many possibilities to ambush with your faustpatrones.
In teamplay it is another thing, i've myself play games using more planes than 88's to support and it is indeed a very efficient strategy.
I have only one 88 for phase A in my deck for 1v1-3v3. Does it mean that I'm half done from the start of my every game?
Does it mean you find you're the king of the field using your 16th luftwaffe deck ? Cause i find myself the deck pretty average in A, not exceptionnaly powerful and invincible, sorry to say.
Guard Armoured or 4 Armored vehicle rushes are way more deadly in early game.
Edit : Obviously Zhukodim who is talking you're the first actual ranked player, with your 95% games played with allies in ranked games (92%winrate) and your 70% games played with allies in multiplayer games (84% winrate) and you saying you have played 80% of your games with 2ID, you will seriously let think 16th luftwaffe is op in 1vs1
?Let's be serious five minutes. You would probly make 16th luftwaffe work against 90% of the playerbase unable to deal with you even without double 88's, it doesn't mean 16th luftwaffe is op.
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Edit : Obviously Zhukodim who is talking you're the first actual ranked player, with your 95% games played with allies in ranked games (92%winrate) and your 70% games played with allies in multiplayer games (84% winrate) and you saying you have played 80% of your games with 2ID, you will seriously let think 16th luftwaffe is op in 1vs1
Let's be serious five minutes. You would probly make 16th luftwaffe work against 90% of the playerbase unable to deal with you even without double 88's, it doesn't mean 16th luftwaffe is op.
I thought we are friends. And you used on me all the dirty political tricks.
Well, now you're not. So please, post one so we can help you.
It sounds like you have the right theorycraft for dealing with the 16th Luftwaffe--arty the 88s, push where they're not, etc-- but your execution is off, and the Luftwaffe players are outplaying you. I have a similar problem with this game (and frankly in general). Theorycraft is nice and having the better metagame is great, but we need at the end of the day to actually execute better too.
Feel free to hope, i've asked myself for some replay the tenth of november in his previous 16th luftwaffe post, i'm still waiting.
The guy has some history, jumping into 10vs10 to say it's shit and leaving his teammates right away, asking for nerfs in posts all around the place :
"P-47 needs a nerf" : https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/p-47s-need-a-nerf.1039187/
"I'm about to toss every spitfire in the trash" : https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...s-every-single-spitfire-in-the-trash.1034188/
"Phase C is basically a free win for Axis" : https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...e-c-is-basically-a-free-win-for-axis.1029906/
"Why is JU 88 so hard to kill" : https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/why-is-ju88-so-hard-to-kill.1022549/
Take your pick.
No need, I've been lurking the whole time
In any case, we can't help him further until he posts a replay. So as I see it, every time he asks for help, we ask for a replay
Wait. So now we are looking at units that someone can potentially put in their deck, not at units that can realistically be brought out during the game?
That's like complaining about Panzer Lehr's unstoppable 4 Königstigers...
Merged i don't know, but it is fine to remind people things have been discussed more than once. If you want some advice about 16th luftwaffe, you may consult this previous thread : https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...en-is-16th-luft-getting-a-nerf.1053960/page-1
Early infantry rush, later in phase A some light tanks. That gets you up to 60% of area-control in phase A. Game over.
The nerf was quite good, now 16th luftwaffe is right on its spot, not to weak not to strong, I think its a good support deck for 3v3 as yo ucan cover all of the map with your aa for your team mates, but if the enemy knows how to smoke or how to use 1200 m range tanks you have a problem most of the time. Sure your infantry is strong and cost effective but most infantry decks will still clean the floor with you in direct combat. Also now I was able to shoot down their oberserver aircraft 2x in 3 games against them as fighters dont run instantly after 36 hit as it doesnt hit as well anymore.
Just watched your paradox tournament replay against Yue Jin (1st Pancerna), Zhukodim. Tell me 16th luftwaffe is not weak in phase A... You sure did struggle as hell as expected. This deck is awful in A to keep lines...
The big trouble is they are dishartened, cost is fine for mg34 and faustpatrones but it's like your main line is constituted of ersatztruppen/ostruppen...
The big trouble is they are dishartened, cost is fine for mg34 and faustpatrones but it's like your main line is constituted of ersatztruppen/ostruppen...
16 luft has been such a crappy addition to the game, they are boring to play and horrible to play agaisnt as it just devolves into a game artying the 88, getting countervateried by 2600m range phase A arty(!!) and counterbary back for the rest of the game. It makes me want to stop playing.
I watched the replay on Khan Ulric's channel. I assume they got to know each other's divisions before the match, so YueJin was able to specialize his deck for dealing with 16LW by stacking it with artillery. In a typical 1v1 game over ranked or quickplay you need to have some flexibility and can't build your deck around countering one specific division.
I can't say that I don't enjoy playing as 16LW, but yeah, I definately agree that it's not very fun to play against them, and they are pure cancer in team games.
That was my normal 1.Pancerna deck for ranked play we chose divisions blindly and I didn't want to change a deck I am very experienced with. It only has 1 phase A sexton and 2 cards of 25 pdrs in B. Anyone who takes less artillery than that in a 1v1 is asking to be beaten on certain maps/matchups.
16th Luft is good for 1v1 but is countered by 15th Scots, 1.Pancerna, Guards armoured and 4th armoured due to 1,200M range fire support. The FK288 are the only real standout unit in the division - although a very good one. Their main disadvantage is that if they are significantly down at the end of phase B, it is very hard to push enough to gain a +2 as nothing moves at speed. To win, push the +1 at the start of the game, put recon along the front then stand off and force the 88's/288's to move forward to engage at which point you can arty them or fire position with support guns. Do this well enough for 20 minutes and you've closed out the game.
If i recall the replay correctly you fixed the frontline with at least three simultaneous support cromwells more than with arty. 16th luftwaffe can't do shit in this kind of situation, FK 288's are slow as hell when used as at guns, 88's are just disabled if played properly and 16th luftwaffe canno't keep up with dishartened infantry.
You did illustrate this perfect counter to point out 16th Luftwaffe is far from op as we may read here and there.