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Currently, monopolies don't really exist by themselves. You can grant a monopoly charter to a company, which will make it very easy for it to buy all buildings related to this resource, resulting in two consequences:

-Your overall production will improve, and the company will have the capital to construct many of the associated buildings. Currently, it's not mandatory, but countries without a company will struggle to remain competitive in the global market against those who have one (or have granted investment rights to a company). This is positive in the sense that countries actually need to specialize, but financial sectors are significantly disadvantaged, which may pose a balance issue (though this is not the topic here).

-The price of the good will increase by up to 20%, scaled according to the company's share of building ownership in each state. This somewhat makes sense, but the strange part is that the company requires a charter to be able to raise prices. Standard Oil wasn't the only company legally permitted to build oil rigs, yet this didn't prevent it from establishing a monopoly.

Therefore, I believe the price increase should probably be a natural consequence, with or without an official monopoly charter, whenever a company owns more than 50% of a state's production.

Another consequence of monopolies could be that if, nationwide, a company holds a majority share of the production of a good (clothes, tools, etc.), it should gradually lose its throughput bonus (or economies of scale), becoming less efficient, similar to state owned buildings. The state (if it wishes to counter the company) could attempt to open its market to international competition (foreign products would then compete with the monopoly, forcing the company to remain competitive) or even attempt to break up the company (which should carry real consequences).

Currently, companies have very little political influence (only boosting IG clout), but I hope this will soon be updated, requiring you to actively manage your own (or worse, foreign) companies if they become too powerful within your nation.
 
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I almost never use monopiles its to hard to get the extra Authority and all the charters go to investment and industry rights plus outside of foreign investment I'm not sure what reason you would use them for as they will just buy out all businesses just as fast anyway.
 
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I almost never use monopiles its to hard to get the extra Authority and all the charters go to investment and industry rights plus outside of foreign investment I'm not sure what reason you would use them for as they will just buy out all businesses just as fast anyway.
It can be somewhat worth to give them a monopoly so they can buy industries for cheaper (good for state owned ones) and devlop faster to then remove it when it's not needed. However if you create a company mid/late game, if will have near infinite money to buy every industry in the country that isn't owned by another company, which is kinda broken imo
 
Currently, companies have very little political influence (only boosting IG clout), but I hope this will soon be updated, requiring you to actively manage your own (or worse, foreign) companies if they become too powerful within your nation.
My last USA game disagrees. Industrialists got 40-50% clout on Universal Suffrage because they own the world's industrial supplies.

The idea of international competition is interesting, because as it stands I think it's a bad idea to open yourself up to investment as a developed country because the foreign companies eat away at your investment pool.
 
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Companies using the common IP, even if they return some money there, is cheese already.
Regional headquarters that use one IP and pour money into another is beyond all adequacy.
Monopolies don't make sense.

1.9 is great for many things, but it is underdone in some ways and weirdly and unnecessarily overdone in others.
 
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Adding Laissez-Faire exclusive corruption maluses is idiotic. If you think interventionist / state-controlled economies don't have corruption or cronyism, I have a bridge to sell you. Standard Oil, the most well known historical "private monopoly" during this time period massively *lowered* oil prices.
 
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Adding Laissez-Faire exclusive corruption maluses is idiotic. If you think interventionist / state-controlled economies don't have corruption or cronyism, I have a bridge to sell you. Standard Oil, the most well known historical "private monopoly" during this time period massively *lowered* oil prices.
State controlled economies already have corruption and ineficiencies: The state dividends are partially lost (corruption) and buidings have less economies of scale.
However it is true that standard oil lowered prices (I've learned something from this), but it's probably because it still had competition (that the companies needed to kill with low prices) when a state sanctionned monopoly would have no incentives to do that.
 
My last USA game disagrees. Industrialists got 40-50% clout on Universal Suffrage because they own the world's industrial supplies.

The idea of international competition is interesting, because as it stands I think it's a bad idea to open yourself up to investment as a developed country because the foreign companies eat away at your investment pool.
Companies indirectly makes influence politics by boosting industrialist, probably too much sometimes, but it still indirect, and capitalists themselves don't really care about companies well being. You can dismantle every company in your nation without any issues. I think that powerful companies could try to influence the state more directly, but it should be implemented after an internal politics rework, because I think see enough tools in the current game.

Internaltional competition can also be free trade, local company produced good in competition with imported foreign ones.
 
Regional headquarters that use one IP and pour money into another is beyond all adequacy.
Isn't that basically the sort of economic imperialism practiced by the US and UK in South America? I don't technically control you, but you agreed to let me invest in your nation to speed development and now United Fruit owns all the land and your people are broke and miserable because as much wealth as possible was extracted from your nation into the investing nation.
 
Isn't that basically the sort of economic imperialism practiced by the US and UK in South America? I don't technically control you, but you agreed to let me invest in your nation to speed development and now United Fruit owns all the land and your people are broke and miserable because as much wealth as possible was extracted from your nation into the investing nation.
Well, no.
The keywords are "you agreed to let me invest in your nation to speed development". What's happening is "you agreed to let me take over your investment and call it mine". The question is whether there was the actual sufficient initial capital flow from the headquarters to the local country to set up the investment. When it's the usual investment, it is there. As I understand, with regional headquarters it isn't there, the local regional headquarters takes money from the local IP and returns it to their original country's IP.
 
Well, no.
The keywords are "you agreed to let me invest in your nation to speed development". What's happening is "you agreed to let me take over your investment and call it mine". The question is whether there was the actual sufficient initial capital flow from the headquarters to the local country to set up the investment. When it's the usual investment, it is there. As I understand, with regional headquarters it isn't there, the local regional headquarters takes money from the local IP and returns it to their original country's IP.
The more I try and think about this, the more I'm realizing I don't have nearly the grasp of Vic3 as I do/did EU4. I think it's a good thing that regional HQs use local construction to expand their buildings and funnel the profits home, but you have a point that the money to do so should probably be coming from their assets rather than the local investment pool, unless they do send some of their money to that pool because it likely improves performance for the money to be pooled like that instead of calculating for every HQ as well.