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Ah the good old Ad Hominem argument, the resort of the weak minded. No, by consumer I mean the people that buy a game and are expected purchase "additional" content that was either stripped from the game or should have been reasonably included in said product.

So you're maintaining that additional music should have been included in the base game or was deliberately "stripped" from it to be sold later?

OK, I'll bite. So just how much "free" music would be sufficient for you to not feel that you, the consumer, were being ripped off? A dozen tunes, three dozen, an operatic wonder on the scale of Wagner's Ring of the Nibelungen?

P.S.: Attempting to fake a level of familiarity with the subject of logical fallacies while simultaneously employing the very same one being alluded to is poor form indeed. One might even call it "weak minded."
 
So you're maintaining that additional music should have been included in the base game or was deliberately "stripped" from it to be sold later?

OK, I'll bite. So just how much "free" music would be sufficient for you to not feel that you, the consumer, were being ripped off? A dozen tunes, three dozen, an operatic wonder on the scale of Wagner's Ring of the Nibelungen?

P.S.: Attempting to fake a level of familiarity with the subject of logical fallacies while simultaneously employing the very same one being alluded to is poor form indeed. One might even call it "weak minded."

I am not going to engage the emotional jibes and fallacies.

Yes, am maintaining that if the amount of music included in the paid game was not enough to warrant someone to ask for more perhaps there wasn't enough in the game after all. Obviously this is a value judgement of the person raising the topic and I, for obvious reasons, can't comment on it's validity.

The real issue in my opinion, is the anti consumer monitisation practices many game publishers are now partaking in. Do I expect a product for free? Of course not, and snide comments to the otherwise is disingenuous at best. No, I expect a game that has not been designed and released as basically as possible and then requiring more money to complete the game systems or obviously missing content. Unfortunately, publishers have worked out a way to inflate revenue streams while tapping into the physiological traps that lead to people arguing for keeping on paying for substandard business practices, or at least practices that disadvantage the consumer. Such as what you are displaying here.

I do contend that this game seems to follow this method. The game as released is basic, missing some AI systems and fairly obvious design elements and content. The fact we are offered a "season pass" and plans for soon to be released paid DLC content packs and updates so soon after the game is released seems to indicate this is yet another publisher wanting to generate an ongoing revenue stream on a game that is arguably an unfinished single player game.
Obviously this issue is relative, how much extra on top of the "base game" are we expected to part with if we want to complete game? If it is a relatively small amount then that is one thing but take a look a Paradox's DLC and MTX history. Leaving aside full game expansions and large content packs released far later then the initial release, we are still lefts with thousands of dollars for content that one can argue should have been included in the game.

Thank you for the discussion. I will not respond to you further.
 
Hello. I'm Commander Xavori. And Quantum Sonics is my favorite radio station on the Citad...er..Mars.

Seriously. It's the perfect music for chillaxing and watching your colonists suffocate to death because you didn't build enough moxies. The station even has the most interesting DJ to go with that excellent music.

So please, my dear undead platypi overlords, can we have moarz?

One Minute of Time is such a kick ass beat! Lol I want to dl that single please Paradox. Joy Garamacan could be a DJ on a SiriusXM station btw. She’s a cool Martian “on the hot crimson soil!”
 
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I will join the crowd and testify that I bought the "First Colony Edition" just because I got Quantum Sonics songs. I have also previously bought Sabaton DLCs for EUIV so I guess I am already a flawed person. These are the only pieces of music I have bought since 1990s.

Keep up the good work.