Just, whatever you do, please no Civ 5 happiness. That's the most horrible system in the history of strategy.
Then again, I don't think I need to worry considering Triumph's track record.
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Just, whatever you do, please no Civ 5 happiness. That's the most horrible system in the history of strategy.
Then again, I don't think I need to worry considering Triumph's track record.
Thanks for answering guys ! I did not imagine that the devs would be in this thread so fast !!!
If you have it on your radar then it is the best news there can be !
Hopefully you will expand on that mechanic in one of the future Dev Diaries !
On the final note keep up the good work and all the best, AoW 3 is one of my all time favourites in turn based startegies, so I hope planetfall will naturally be even better !
You are absolutely right JJ. My post was to be taken with a grain of salt. However, I thought it worthwhile to mention because backthen I was certainly not the only one being put off by this. The tournaments mostly followed default settings. So if the devs can do anything to make it so that default settings are great for tournaments as well as single play, then it will be for the better. Apparently, something is being done indeed.
The cause was the combination of settlement spam and empire quests. I think some players were going through the whole tournament doing as I described. As an unexperienced multiplayer having no chance against a pro is fine but this was just no fun. It made me feel like you need to be able to do exactly that to be able to compete.
Thanks for the invite, Fluksen. I am currently not playing at all because of real life restrictions.
If they have to choose though, I hope they remember that even though the vocal people may play multiplayer, the majority plays singleplayer.
I played plenty of mp and I remember lots of victories and lots of defeats, and not one of them were due to ICS.
Besides, in the new game we already know that sectors can hold a city OR another structure.
And not every sector can hold a city.
That means, if I understand it correctly, that for every map there'll only be x potential (or existing. We don't yet know if there'll be maps with existing cities like in every aow to date or if every game starts with a settler, like civ) cities which will naturally create flashpoint for conflict.
I'm not worried about ICS.
The big "exploits" I recall were super fast clicking, split stacking, inn abuse (which is why there are no t3 units in mind until past turn 20) and the major balance changes were givibg Warlords a scout unit and fast healing as an early upgrade, nerfing wisps (because people couldn't counter them) and then nerfing the wisp counter (your support units used to come out with just a shrine. That was your natural wisp counter but people complained...) and also assassins got nerfed (pass wall was a bit too good)
The last mp game I played was against the devs at pdxcon. The one who tried ICS...did not do well!
Besides, in the new game we already know that sectors can hold a city OR another structure.
And not every sector can hold a city.
That means, if I understand it correctly, that for every map there'll only be x potential (or existing. We don't yet know if there'll be maps with existing cities like in every aow to date or if every game starts with a settler, like civ) cities which will naturally create flashpoint for conflict.
I'm not worried about ICS.
The big "exploits" I recall were super fast clicking, split stacking, inn abuse (which is why there are no t3 units in mind until past turn 20) and the major balance changes were givibg Warlords a scout unit and fast healing as an early upgrade, nerfing wisps (because people couldn't counter them) and then nerfing the wisp counter (your support units used to come out with just a shrine. That was your natural wisp counter but people complained...) and also assassins got nerfed (pass wall was a bit too good)
The last mp game I played was against the devs at pdxcon. The one who tried ICS...did not do well!
Moving a stack last in the previous turn, and first in the new turn. So you can travel a longer distance before there's a chance to respond. Used to, for example, kill scouts and capture undefended cities from far away.
If you are the host your orders get processed a smidgen faster iirc.
Anyway the fast clicking is on the border of good play and exploit.
At the end of your turn, hover your mouse over the stack you want to move. Have heir move path ready.
As soon as the next turn starts, click your stack and either press my to start them moving, or double click the destination.
It ties into split stacking.
Those 2 are why the 15 second rule was brought in. That's not a perfect solution by any means because enforcing it is a pain.
I had one player attack a scout of mine at 13 seconds in.
By the time we arbirated the situation and resumed play my screen was physically on the attacked unit and nowhere near my main stacks.
I had been trying to move my main stacks to defend a city.
Now at second 16 or 17 he moved his main stacks into the undefended city and I couldn't respond because he'd purposely flouted the 15 second rule elsewhere to fix my attention on that area.
A bigger problem than even that though was players just dropping a game.
I've had countless matches not resolved because as soon as the opposing player loses a main stacks or a city, they've just quit.
No goodbye, not even burning their cities down, just vanished.
Sometimes they insult you first. My favourite was being called a boobie for using a Berserker stack.
If it's so noob then how did it work?
Anyway, major digression.
Back on topic, imho ics only really works if you have an abundance of space and time.
It's a symptom of too much space and time given to a player.
And a great deal of that comes down to your settings.
Incidentally, the AI can't actually city spam as such because it has a limit.
Player city+2 for building cities.
Capturing them has no limit.
And in mp the opposing players will chew you unless the map is large (in the first tournament we used medium maps, slightly larger for 2 players. Deliberate decision because I felt small maps were too small and there was no intermediate map size. Plus this allowed comeback potential and a greater range of viable class and race choices) for the number of players or one of the players is outclassed.
I don't mean to say ICS is useless, just not the best, or even a particularly good, strategy that some people seem to think it is.
Anyway the fast clicking is on the border of good play and exploit.
At the end of your turn, hover your mouse over the stack you want to move. Have heir move path ready.
As soon as the next turn starts, click your stack and either press my to start them moving, or double click the destination.
It ties into split stacking.
Those 2 are why the 15 second rule was brought in. That's not a perfect solution by any means because enforcing it is a pain.
I had one player attack a scout of mine at 13 seconds in.
By the time we arbirated the situation and resumed play my screen was physically on the attacked unit and nowhere near my main stacks.
I had been trying to move my main stacks to defend a city.
Now at second 16 or 17 he moved his main stacks into the undefended city and I couldn't respond because he'd purposely flouted the 15 second rule elsewhere to fix my attention on that area.
A bigger problem than even that though was players just dropping a game.
I've had countless matches not resolved because as soon as the opposing player loses a main stacks or a city, they've just quit.
No goodbye, not even burning their cities down, just vanished.
Sometimes they insult you first. My favourite was being called a boobie for using a Berserker stack.
If it's so noob then how did it work?
Anyway, major digression.
Back on topic, imho ics only really works if you have an abundance of space and time.
It's a symptom of too much space and time given to a player.
And a great deal of that comes down to your settings.
Incidentally, the AI can't actually city spam as such because it has a limit.
Player city+2 for building cities.
Capturing them has no limit.
And in mp the opposing players will chew you unless the map is large (in the first tournament we used medium maps, slightly larger for 2 players. Deliberate decision because I felt small maps were too small and there was no intermediate map size. Plus this allowed comeback potential and a greater range of viable class and race choices) for the number of players or one of the players is outclassed.
I don't mean to say ICS is useless, just not the best, or even a particularly good, strategy that some people seem to think it is.
After I did this to Ajay, he called me an ass-rapist. XD. They were goblin Beserkers, though. I had chosen the combination goblin warlord shadowborn to have cheap beserkers.
Oh, you're the dude/dudette with the bald head. That reduces the pool of possible options quite a lot. Out of the previous 7 000 000 000 potential BBB's, there's perhaps only 500 000 000 left, or perhaps even less !
It sounds like simultaneous turns is a terrible idea for multiplayer. Didn't Civ fix it by having them only be simultaneous if you weren't at war with someone?
Simultaneous is the better idea for MP. Otherwise wait times get to long.
I must say i never really noticed the host speed difference, if it exists.
Note that simultaneous mode will also receive some much-needed updates. An idea is to enforce the 15-second rule, which means you wouldn't be able to attack someone the first X seconds of a turn, where X can be set in the game lobby. This is, of course, only confirmed in intention.
I must say i never really noticed the host speed difference, if it exists.
Note that simultaneous mode will also receive some much-needed updates. An idea is to enforce the 15-second rule, which means you wouldn't be able to attack someone the first X seconds of a turn, where X can be set in the game lobby. This is, of course, only confirmed in intention.
ICS isn't problem at all. It's just the game punishes players who can't deal with global strategy and empire planning.