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Great job with the IGC 1520 scenario!!

I think that this one will allow a more historical development for countries compared to 1492 version... There is just some minor flaws in the game which I found playing as Turkey...

- Hafzid Empire had two capitals

- Ottomans have two capitals one in Istanbul and one in Cyrenica

- Both Moldavia and Wallachia should be vassals to Turkey

- Turkish navy was bigger around that time(compared with 1617 scenario where they had around 110 galleys)

- A Turkish navy at province of Nile, Piri Reis should command it

- Province of Kurdistan, I thought that it belonged to Turkey around 1520(Conquered by Selim I)

- A 70k army starts in Serbia, half of the army is wasted after couple of months since that province can only support a 40k army
 
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Yes, I have it too and it should be a part of the IGC. Obviously it still needs some testing and tweaking (like the extra capitals) but it solves quite a bit of issues and frees up quite some tags.
 
Some more stuff ...

Apart from the already mentioned capitals, which is ver yeasy to fix, I have some more feedback.

First of all, overall, it looks very good :)

Some suggestions :

About the Habsburg Alliance : U should make Austria the leader, that way they can invite Hungary into the alliance and vassalise/diplo annex them.

Why is Prussia protestant ? Is this so it won't get diplo annexed as I was under the impression Saxony was the first protestant state in 1525.

The forts in China/Japan are better but I gfeel they still need to be bigger. Should be near impregnable.

The Novgorod COT should be moved to Moscow. For the short time it still mattered there, Moscow is the place to be. It also makes it impossible to derive the Russians of their COT, which they really should control themselves as long as they exist.

Then the weirdest thing, for some reason the whole diplomacy thing is screwed up. I have no idea why or if I'm the only one having this but there were no alliances, every country had a RM with England (I was playing them) and most had more than one. The RM was accompanied by war icons mostly. I took screens of this if u wanna have a look.
 
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OK, I loaded up a new game and in that one everything seemed fine. Still, very weird, I never had anything like that before ...

Oh, I did edit some of the lines in the .inc though. I have no idea whether that has anything to do with it though ...
 
Originally posted by Yasko
Great job with the IGC 1520 scenario!!

I think that this one will allow a more historical development for countries compared to 1492 version... There is just some minor flaws in the game which I found playing as Turkey...

- Hafzid Empire had two capitals

- Ottomans have two capitals one in Istanbul and one in Cyrenica
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Thanks! I never played for long as Turkey, so thanks for the heads up. I'm embarassed the two capitals slipped by me. They were independent states in Paradox's version, and in the cut and paste forgot to remove the capital line. :mad:
Originally posted by Yasko
- Both Moldavia and Wallachia should be vassals to Turkey
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Hmmm, I have them listed as vassals in the .inc file and they show up as such when I play as Turkey. Are you sure they don't show up for you? Or is there something odd, like them not behaving like vassals?

Originally posted by Yasko
- Turkish navy was bigger around that time(compared with 1617 scenario where they had around 110 galleys)

- A Turkish navy at province of Nile, Piri Reis should command it
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Yes, I had forgotten that Piri Reis led at least one 25 galley raid (quite successfully) against the Portuguese in East Africa. I will add a galley fleet to the Nile (747). Unfortunately, Piri is set to appear from the leader.tur file in Istanbul. Until it can be set up in a config tool to switch him and a few other leaders to different spots for 1492 and 1520, we will have to manually edit his position in the leader.tur file. As to increasing their strength in the Med., any historical size known for this time?

Originally posted by Yasko
- A 70k army starts in Serbia, half of the army is wasted after couple of months since that province can only support a 40k army
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I'll split it in half basically, put the other half in Bulgaria.

Originally posted by Yasko
- Province of Kurdistan, I thought that it belonged to Turkey around 1520(Conquered by Selim I)
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I have seen conflicting maps on this province's ownership in 1520. Selim's armies advanced farther into Persia than they actually conquered during that time. Do you have something definite on that province?
Also, I have straightened out the mess of the Golden Horde remnants somewhat. Astrakhan gained a couple more historical provinces, and I reduced the Horde's aggressiveness and balanced it's relationship with it's fellow khanates. I am keeping them as a nation because otherwise the "wild fields" it controls would technically have to be a number of one province tribal nations.
If anyone else would like to test out this scenario, drop me a private message with your email address.
 
Re: Some more stuff ...

Originally posted by BiB
Apart from the already mentioned capitals, which is ver yeasy to fix, I have some more feedback.

First of all, overall, it looks very good :)

Some suggestions :

About the Habsburg Alliance : U should make Austria the leader, that way they can invite Hungary into the alliance and vassalise/diplo annex them.
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Thanks! Good idea on the Hapsburg alliance. I'll do it.

Originally posted by BiB
Why is Prussia protestant ? Is this so it won't get diplo annexed as I was under the impression Saxony was the first protestant state in 1525.
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Yes, it is the limitation of the game engine to simulate some historical events. Prussia became secularized in 1526 and withdrew from the Tuetonic Knights when their leader switched the state to Protestant. They then became vassals of Poland (until the mid 1600s). To get the vassalship to appear, I had to start it a few years early. I started them as Protestant because otherwise they switched and the vassalship was broken when it was just starting. I am open for suggestions on a better way to handle it.

Originally posted by BiB
The forts in China/Japan are better but I feel they still need to be bigger. Should be near impregnable.
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I agree with you here, but I am trying to keep this the scenario the IGC with just a different start date. If we can convince the IGC crew that the levels should change higher in the 1492 inc, I am all for it and would gladly change it in the 1520. Maybe Doomdark can add that as a configurable option? :)

Originally posted by BiB
The Novgorod COT should be moved to Moscow. For the short time it still mattered there, Moscow is the place to be. It also makes it impossible to derive the Russians of their COT, which they really should control themselves as long as they exist.
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Good point. The arguments for keeping it in Novgorod are not as strong as the ones for moving it in to Moscow after 28 years have passed. I will make the switch.

Originally posted by BiB
Then the weirdest thing, for some reason the whole diplomacy thing is screwed up. I have no idea why or if I'm the only one having this but there were no alliances, every country had a RM with England (I was playing them) and most had more than one. The RM was accompanied by war icons mostly. I took screens of this if u wanna have a look.
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I never saw that. Looks like an artifact of your edited IGC file, to be honest. One extra or missing { can make a world of difference.... :D
 
But with me editing those bits and having a good look around I still haven't played. Better wait for the 1.09 patch. Will play out a bit of decades long campaigns to see what generally happens early on.
 
How about stability? I have started two games so far, in both the game crashes around the 1530s, i was playing Turkey and England... And could you post me the latest version?
 
Weird. I have never had that RM problem pop up. EUcheck shows no ID conflicts. I wonder if the file got corrupted in transport? I did find an error where France was the leader in two military alliances simultaneously, so I kept the one with Scotland. That could have been causing the crash if France called for allies from two alliances. I'll send you all the corrected version, including the changes I mentioned earlier in this thread.
 
Interesting. I will compare the two files and see if there is something that slipped by me. What changes did you make? And are these problems occuring immediately, or do they take time to show up?
 
They're there from the start.

It's sommink very sill really, very easy to miss. It's sommink syntax like or so, all in the make up.

Anyway u'll see it very soon in the file I sent.
 
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