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Same story here. My 1492_IGC file has these entries for France:

technology = {
stability = { level = 1 value = 50 }
infra = { level = 0 value = 50 }
trade = { level = 0 value = 50 }
land = { level = 1 value = 50 }
naval = { level = 1 value = 30 }

For Russia:

technology = {
stability = { level = 2 value = 42 }
infra = { level = 1 value = 10 }
trade = { level = 1 value = 70 }
land = { level = 0 value = 0 }
naval = { level = 0 value = 0 }
 
Crook,

We seem to have a different concept of the meaning of the word "war", but suffice it to say that Sweden was in an official and active state of war with Russia for roughly 30 years in 16th century. The fact that the goal of these wars was usually control of Baltic ports is only relevant to this discussion when the outcome is considered (I.e. that Russia failed to achieve her goals). It is true that Russia was usually (but not always) engaged elsewhere, but:

a) So was Sweden and ...
b) ... most of these wars were started by the Russians. :p
 
With regards to the differing initial tech numbers, are there any other differences than those referenced in the readme, i.e. minors whose numbers should be different than what they currently are?

Also, I thoroughly enjoy the IGC. Yesterday I played the regular GC and it just wasn't quite the same. Keep up the excellent work, it is appreciated.
 
Not griping

Just so I'm not griping constantly... I'd have to agree with Stonewall on his second point. I've started my first game in the IGC and I'm completely enjoying it. It is a head and shoulders above the original CG and a worthy addition to Paradox's great game. Thanks for all the effort Hartmann and Doomdark.

Cheers.
 
Sweden in the IGC 2.0k

So far I've played 2 games of the IGC and I have to be impressed. Its obvious alot of time and effort went into these mods. Great work.

One problem I've ran into is with Sweden. I've played Sweden twice in the GC. It was fun and no way do I want to play Sweden another time.:D

But I have encountered a problem. Sweden got diplomatically annexed twice in both games I've played of the IGC. Is this normal? I've also realized why its happenning I think. When you modified the provinces and moved them to different nations. Nations that normally I don't see get annexed, have been annexed.

Here's what I think is happenning. Sweden starts of as a vassal to Denmark. In the GC, they had Karelia, in the IGC, they lose it to Russia. Also in the GC, Holstein is apart of the Hanseatic League, while in the IGC, they are a vassal of Denmark. This is what normally happens in my senario's so far. Denmark dip annexes Holstein, thereby gaining another province. Since Sweden loses a province in the IGC, Holstein is the extra province that Denmark needs to annex Sweden.

Since both Denmark and Sweden start of with a -180 relations, most people don't think that an annexation is likely. Well some of you know about the AI's use of state gifts to eachother. In where the AI would repeatedly send the "same" gift to eachother thereby raising there friendship. And in the end making a diplomatic annexation feasable in Sweden's case.

What I would love to see is a way that this isn't possible. Sweden is a sentimental favorite of mine and even though I won't play them anymore, I would perfer that they remain independent.

For now I intend to use the super Hansa option to prevent this.

Yours

Erad
 
Inserting events that worsen the relations between Sweden and Denmark could prevent early annexation of Sweden. Maybe one event each time Sweden get a leader that is not a Danish king? One thing I want to see as an option is to select the ownership of Calais at startup. I'm getting tired of all those early Frensh-English wars! Maybe that would cause France to concentrate on Italy around 1500 as they did historically.

C.N.
 
Yes, the possibility of Sweden being diploannexed is somewhat increased now. If it happens, we regard this as a renewal of the Kalmar Union. On the other hand, it doesn´t happen in the vast majority of games (have to say, that I´m playing 1.09, though), so we don´t see much of a problem here. There are some simple ways to prevent it, if You absolutely *don´t* want to see this happen under any circumstances. I´ll list them in terms of increasing effectiveness

- + Swedish Ingermanland or + Super Hansa
- both of the above
- Make Sweden a major

Btw. the same thing happens with Austria, if You choose the "Spanish Netherlands" variant and make Austria a minor at the same time. Austria will then be diploannexed by Spain. IMO this is not something to worry about but instead a straightforward consequence of this setting, where Austria is interpreted as a quite inconsequential minor. In these cases, I see the diploannexation as an instance of the forming of the united house of Habsburg (in analogy to the Kalmar Union). The pro is, that Karl V (Carlos I) will indeed reign over all his historical territories.

Hartmann
 
Originally posted by Doomdark


Why not? :)
Click to expand...

Cause too much fun can be painful.:rolleyes:

Its alot of fun, plus I enjoyed the many wars I got into. But I do want to try some of the other nations out there too. :D

One of the side games with Sweden in trying to reign in your inflation. Had mine way over 100% in the first game. 2nd game was still over 100% but I went heavy colonial in the later 100 years and was able to control my inflation with mayors. First 200 years alot of wars happenned. My allies consisted of Russia, Netherlands, and England. You can see that Russia and the Netherlands being aggressive AI's tended to drag me into many wars. In the end I think Poland had only 4 provinces left, this is with Poland Diplomatically annexing Hungary and Moldavia early on. And alot of Austria was in my allies hands as well.

To Hartmann, I never before seen Sweden annexed by Denmark in the GC. What usually happenned was Sweden would cancel its vassalhood with Denmark and goto war. Or I would see Denmark, Sweden and Russia in an alliance, and Sweden was independent of Denmark. I just was wondering if this was common in the IGC. As for the game I am playing now. I'm playing Venice and used the super Hansa option and Sweden hasn't been annexed.:)

Yours

Erad
 
I've seen the New Kalmar Union a few times though.

Usually Denmark goes intto Russia's alliance early on but after a quick series of wars they drop out and get into an alliance with their vassal which they have been showering with gifts, soon after that they diplo annex them.
 
BiB

AI have diplomatically annexed countries not in their alliance. Denmark does this with Sweden. You need to be in an alliance to vassalize a nation but you don't need to be in an alliance to annex one.

Then again you probably know this. Another annoying quirk is that Medicine Man and I have seen Nations get diploannexed without a common border. With me it was Persia annexing the Mameluks. You see there was ahem Iraq in the way. :) With MM it was with France annexing Venice. Milan was still around at this point. Savoy was already annexed by France.

Yours

Erad
 
A player needs an alliance though for xure. And I have never seen an AI diplo annexation without the same alliance/common border.

Then again all that doesn't apply when u inherit a country.
 
Are you sure they are being diplo-annexed? Maybe one country is getting the "inheritence" random event instead.

And not all islands count; only those that are really close to the mainland (Sicily and Italy aren't all that far apart). If you can send an army across without using a ship (which took me forever to learn in in the Sicily-Italy case), then the two countries are still considered to border each other.
 
France and Venice: Best Friends

In the case of the France/Venice annexation, France had already fulfilled all the requirements for a diplo-annexation - save for the common border. Venice had been a vassal for more than 10 years and had excellent relations with France. While it is certainly possible that this annexation happened due to an inheritance event, it seems suspect to me - France was moving with a purpose.

The game in question was a standard GC as Austria and it allowed me to take Venice, so I'm not sweating it. :)

Cheers.
 
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