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Started a game tonight. As always I used the 1520.inc (Netherlands solved, Portugal and Turkish AI actually do their job, ...) and the Chaos settings. The plan was to play as Prussia till the Dutch showed up. As Prussia I had a small plot in the first 35 odd years to get a common border with Brandenburg and make it possible for them to for ocne join up. Which I succeeded in after taking over Pommerania. Then the revolt in the Netherlands paid of and after uniting the provinces of Flanders, Holland, Zeeland, Den Hague and Friesen I fought a 30 year war with Spain, then a 5 year intermezzo and we're still at it :D Just real :D I'm playing with several house rules like no expanding in Europe, no trading/stealing maps, no easy land claiming and so on and above all as always play historical. Right now I'm meddling in the Caribbean versus Spain till I get an explorer to find my way over to Indonesia.

But seeing my less than active part in Europe, lots could happen without me interfering (or not much :D) and I was a prime subject.

Leading in VPs : Turkey. Granted I stole a few colonies from Spain in the Caribbean but mostly it is Turkey's ace performance that does it. They're all over East Europe. They have been very ok ever since I switched to the 1520.inc in which they start with the Mamelukes. They seem somehow unable to annex those from 1492 on. They're also vassalising their allies and making considerable gains against the Persians.

Spain is 2nd and is doing nicely otherwise. Still have the souther Netherlands and parts of Northern France. Colonised Mexico totally and has their usual possessions. For some reasons they are unable to keep their stability above 0. Seeing they're just about top of the tech race as it is, imagine what a good stability management could do! They also didn't get to the Philippines which often is the difference between a great and just a good Spain as if they get there a nice Chinese trade COT opens there.

France isn't doing anything special. Building some TPs in Canada and West Africa and losing bits of Northern France to Spain. Took them 50 years to take Calais. They seem to nicely survive the religious wars though.

But while the French were busy taking Calais, England suffering from horrible war tiredness decided the time was ripe to convert to reformed and DOW Scotland. It cost them Lancashire, Yorkshire and The Marches and they don't look like being able to put up a fight if the comes to a war with the Scots again.

Portugal is enjoying its good 1520 start. Cities already there in Goa and Malacca all they have to do is build some TPs around them and reap the awards from that Malacca COT. At least the AI is able to do that.

Russia once again is slow to get to Siberia and that is with the Time of Troubles still to hit them. Right now they're bordering on Sibir but managed to lose 2 provinces to them. They're allied again with Denmark and Sweden.

The Habsburgs were very active under Karl V. Bohemia was diplo annexed. The Emperor crown was secured time after time. The active bits were played in Poland were the Habsburgs managed to take over a lot of territory and even against the Turks progress was made under Karl V. However that progress vs the Turks was lost later on and core provinces were lost even.

Brandenburg meanwhile took advantage of my little ploy and has managed to diplo annex Prussia, annex Pommeren, take Memel and even managed to take Silesia from the up till then near invincible Habsburgs. Prussia at last!

Weird stuff happening with Poland! Not their usual badboy performance has been put in though they started well by taking Kurland but after that KArl V ran over them followed by the Turks. Poland lost vast tracts of land. Has no coast left (even after they annexed the Order, Denmark has Danzig), Austria is bordering on their capital and all of the south is now islamic lands. Though they did manage to vassalise Hungary but only cuz they are even more pounded up upon by the Turks.

But where the action really was : Italy. All those little states started out with settling huge scores with eachother. Genoa annexed the Papal States in the 1520s, soon followed by Modena annexing Milan. A real battlefield contrary to the HRE which was quite dull. France and Spain then moved into their alliances to hijack their movements.

Great game :D
 
I have to say that this IGC 2.2 is a lot more historical than the previous IGC's.
I played a fantasy option as a united prussia and decided to take the provinces of Danzig and Western Prussia from Poland Lithuania right away. The polish armies however conquered Eastern Prussia right away (this never happened before, as their armies couldn't take the fortress by storm and had to do it by siege previously). My armies meanwhile were stuck trying to take the province of W.P. and it took them two attempts with a level one fort. Then the poles started attacking the provinces of my allies T.O. and conquered two of their provinces. Basically the poles int IGC 2.2 are a lot stronger than previously.
 
Basically the poles int IGC 2.2 are a lot stronger than previously.
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That sounds great.
I have been on a lan so i havent been able to test it yet :(
will do now and i hope to see a powerfull poland and turkey :)
 
As for the IGC 2.2b its far more accurate then all others before.
But a main question is last night i played England.
After conquering Scotland i had the initiall alliance from Spain for me as theý jumped out. Then i made a marriage with Hannover, an Alianec and some contribution and it became a nice vassal but even after 20 years and realtion of +200 and alliance i cant annex the damm Hannover !?:confused:

The problem is that the annex button is never avtive , is that an IGC 2.2 b Problem ???

Thanx Comix
 
arrrr

Can anyone tell me how to get the patch.exe for IGC 2.2 to work. Have downloaded the VM or whatever but still no joy. It flashes up "Language patch missing or corrupt" ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
 
1st, don't use IGC 2.2b. It was a bad archive (my fault) and should best be forgotten. 2.2c is the latest version:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~doomdark/EU

2nd, make sure that you extract the IGC archive into your main EU folder. It will overwrite lots of files, which is ok.

It should then work. If it doesn't, some of your files might be write-protected.
 
It isnt very historical that the Ruskis, Danes and Swedes are allies.
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Man, I cringe every time I see:

Russia declares war on the <small nameless country who has no hope>!
Denmark joins Russia in its war against XXXX.
Sweden joins Denmark and Russia in their war against XXXX.

sigh......

In many games I see at least Denmark and Russia as allies for the first 100years or so, after that they sometimes part ways by getting into other alliances. Some games they are allied the whole time. Was this at all accurate? Maybe drop the DAN/RUS, SWE/DAN, and SWE/RUS relations by 50pts? I seem to recall some SWE-RUS war in the early 1500s anyway. With those lvl 3 forts russia usually just skips them and goes deep into SWE (attrish'ing all the way) or stands at the fort and dies doing nothing for months/years.


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ErrantOne
 
I really don't know how to stop these insane alliances. Sweden has -9 relations with Russia and -10 with Denmark. Denmark has 5 with Russia, which is pretty accurate IMO.

It is also worth mentioning that in the early versions of the game, I never saw Sweden allying with her enemies like this.
 
I mean it is rather silly, I have never ever seen England and France in an alliance, and they are about as good friends as Sweden/Denmark or Sweden/Russia.... :confused:


Sweden where always hostile towards Russia and Denmark, so an alliance between Russia and Denmark doesnt seem that odd due to the circumstances. But all of them allied since they pretty much have CB's all over the place. :)
I think that worsened relations between the Russians and the Danes would do it, isnt there anyway to tweak the files to make it less possible that they(Rus/Den) become allies?? :)
 
acetime,

No one is disputing whether or not Russia and Denmark should be allied... Of course they should be, most of the time!

However, for Sweden to join and honor this alliance is pure madness and totally unhistorical. Sweden has allied with Russia only one time that I can think of, and it was a very special case during the time of troubles.
 
I have been playing a bit closer attention to the SWE and RUS. They seem to ally after SWE changes religions. Not sure exactly why. I noticed this in 2 or the last three games.

BTW, doomdark...the finland option is very nice. thanks for including that in 2.2.

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ErrantOne
 
Originally posted by acetime
Sweden separated from Denmark in 1523 and were not their vassals any more, so this means that Russia and Denmark had formed an alliance sometime after 1523. The date 1523 is still part of 1500's.
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You dont need to teach me history, I know what has happened in Swedish history. I'm a Swede and I read way too much historical books. I dont get enough time to be on the forums!!!! :)

Of course Denmark and Russia should be allied for some time, but when Russia joins the Swe/Den alliance, before the Swedes have broken it, it get really silly. :(
 
2.2 has been interesting so far for me. Russia and Poland/Lithuania are both fighting over the path to Siberia, (both are HUGE, BTW). Denmark lost its continental Europe province, but annexed Navarra! Austria is bigger than I have ever seen it (actually about historically sized--with a few more provinces in the north of Europe and from P/L). And Balkinization is definitely a solid wall vs. turk expansion.

The temporary CBs on Scotland and Ireland mean that even in the traditional English start you're putting down revolts from the start. Plus you put down revolts for about 40 years once you squash Scotland. Not only this, but right about the time I got done with that, I did the conversion, and spent time putting down revolts AGAIN. It puts me about 20-25 years behind where I formerly was as England. I received Hannover as a Inheritance event (historically early). And diplo-annexed Brandenburg and Kleves. My BB was up to 13-14 for a while, but Turkey's was higher, (27 for an AI BB, the highest I've ever seen!) so I avoided the wrath of the powers. Which was good, because it allowed me to integrate the nations into the empire.

Britain controls a large swath across the center of Europe, plus Friesen (given to us by France in a treaty right in the middle of the Dutch indy war, thanks, I goofed on that one.) Basically, the smaller powers are all eaten up or vassilized in Northern Europe. In Italy actually they are still alive. And of course, the Balkans states are still there, a big mess for Turkey to try to take, so far I can't see where they have earned their BB points. They probably went after Persia. But I can't see it if they did. They did get the Marmelukes, so that probably hit them.

Lot's of fun. I'm in first, but not nearly as far ahead as usual.
 
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