I'm in favour of Zanj. If we set them up with good relations (maybe an alliance or something) with Nubia, then they might be able to keep the Portugese from getting that stronghold in Africa that I always see.
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
I went for Cambodia make south East Asia a little more complex
and Korea why??! what will happen they will be vassals of China, China gets an arseload of money and will just bribe Korea into submission within 10 years
and Korea why??! what will happen they will be vassals of China, China gets an arseload of money and will just bribe Korea into submission within 10 years
Kazakhs - well, the Russian AI has trouble enough getting into Siberia and to a human Russia player they´re just an afternoon snack.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually, you're quite wrong. Kazakhs were descendants as well as Uzbeks of Khan Uzbek (1380s) of the Golden Horde, but they never been a part of them in EU time period, and quite contrary, they were at odds with Uzbeks big time except for a short stint with Abdullah II. Anyways, they do hinder Russian AI quite a bit, and they are not an easy nut to crack. Human Russia wouldn't have a problem with noone, and who playes Russia anyway? It's too easy Historically, Russia didn't conquer them, but rather vassalized and assimilated (in 18-19 century), so they lasted the whole game span of EU, while I can't say the same of any other nation (except Swahili maybe). Putting a nation in Africa is somewhat dubious, IMHO.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually, you're quite wrong. Kazakhs were descendants as well as Uzbeks of Khan Uzbek (1380s) of the Golden Horde, but they never been a part of them in EU time period, and quite contrary, they were at odds with Uzbeks big time except for a short stint with Abdullah II. Anyways, they do hinder Russian AI quite a bit, and they are not an easy nut to crack. Human Russia wouldn't have a problem with noone, and who playes Russia anyway? It's too easy
Historically, Russia didn't conquer them, but rather vassalized and assimilated (in 18-19 century), so they lasted the whole game span of EU, while I can't say the same of any other nation (except Swahili maybe). Putting a nation in Africa is somewhat dubious, IMHO.
Siam / Cambodia
Hi,
I went with Cambodia / Siam we need more rivalry in Asia, not Africa.
Thanks
Nova538
Hi,
I went with Cambodia / Siam we need more rivalry in Asia, not Africa.
Thanks
Nova538
can someone put sticky to this on general forum? you get a lot more responces this way!
I voted for Korea.
I think you can solve, or atleast slow down the China annex problem by:
A. Since you seem to want them to be a vassal of China, make their relation rather low.
B. Personally my idea would be to make them a vassal of Japan. While maybe not as historic, it would stop China from annexing them and Japan couldn't unless it got a tradepost/colony from a random conquistodor.
I think you can solve, or atleast slow down the China annex problem by:
A. Since you seem to want them to be a vassal of China, make their relation rather low.
B. Personally my idea would be to make them a vassal of Japan. While maybe not as historic, it would stop China from annexing them and Japan couldn't unless it got a tradepost/colony from a random conquistodor.
Doomdark
Perhaps you should do another poll, involvimg the to most wanted nations from this poll?
I'm asking this because I voted for the Zanji's and right now Korea seems to be winning...
Perhaps you should do another poll, involvimg the to most wanted nations from this poll?
I'm asking this because I voted for the Zanji's and right now Korea seems to be winning...
Re: Doomdark
I gotta second that request... I voted for the Dulkadir and would like to have a say when we're down to two choices (Korea vs Zanj)
tuna
I gotta second that request... I voted for the Dulkadir and would like to have a say when we're down to two choices (Korea vs Zanj)
tuna
I'll have to protest the destruction of Granada. Barring Catalonia, IMO, it's a lot more legitimate than the other Iberian rebels (and certainly the most costly loss for Spain, which is a good thing). I mean, it's another religion!!
Out with some of those silly states like Novograd, I say!
Out with some of those silly states like Novograd, I say
!
solution to Chinese annexation fever
I made a post in the scenario forum under Korea about a possible solution to this problem.
In summary it would be to give the East Asian states, Japan, Dai Viet, and the potential addtl. state of Korea a permanent dutch revolt, or an extreme form of nationalism (if that is possible) That way these states which spent 2 millenia resisting chinese expansion would be able to continue to do so. If you look at it historically Korea and Vietnam managed this by being more trouble than they are worth.
Originally posted by BiB
I want a new nation in South East Asia so I'm quite torn between those options which either seem fine to me. Went for Cambodia in the end so people would stop easily getting a huge city in Mekong
In regards to them being diplo annexed by China (same goes for Korea, Japan, Dai Viet and so) how about just giving them a different state religion ? There are muslim tags after all ...
I made a post in the scenario forum under Korea about a possible solution to this problem.
In summary it would be to give the East Asian states, Japan, Dai Viet, and the potential addtl. state of Korea a permanent dutch revolt, or an extreme form of nationalism (if that is possible) That way these states which spent 2 millenia resisting chinese expansion would be able to continue to do so. If you look at it historically Korea and Vietnam managed this by being more trouble than they are worth.
Originally posted by Doomdark
Hmm, that sudden jump of Korea from 9 to 22 in three hours makes me very suspicious. Someone trying to cheat!?
Maybe it was a sudden bout of enthusiasm for all things Korean...
I'm curious is there anyway that the identity of voters in polls can be viewed? if so it might be easy to spot any attempts at ballot stuffing.
Personally I voted for Korea, though I think a good case is made for Cambodia, especially in regards to the issue of Mekong. But at this point even if you subtracted all 13 of the suspicious votes which I think has to thought through very carefully, Korea is only one vote behind Zanj. A state that I think can only be viewed as very suspect. If this is the issue and it is felt that Korea supporters have stolen a march, to put it politely. Maybe a run off could be held. But personally I think that Korea is by far the largest and most important state that is left out of EU and it's dismissal so easily is highly suspect.
I voted for the African tribes... Give the AI and player a good run for his money in Africa
I voted for Zanj. I know that realism does go out the window, but it seems a whole lot more realistic then seeing Turkish colonies spring up in eastern Africa..... Besides, all the otehr options, save maybe Burma face quick extinction.
Although I voted for Korea. It would still be cool if Zanj gets in. I can't belive that stupid moron cheated. 13 votes. Doomie, you should just delete 13 of the korea votes. But hey, checking the poll right now. If you subtract 13. It's TIED. this is interesting.
hey doomie
I've got an idea.
Why don't you just add the 2 most wanted countries?
Zanj and Korea.
You could use the Granada tag for Korea. And since Zanj is an eastern african country, you could take Ullen's idea (I slightly modified it) and replace Nubia with Zanj. Nubia doesn't make that big of a difference. And if you don't want Nubia, Sudan, and Batn Al Hajar to be neutral provinces. You could always just expand the mamalukes territory.
That's an idea! You should have a poll on whether or not to use Nubia as a tag for Zanj. Like, put "Do you want Nubia left in the game or not". or something to that extent.
I've got an idea.
Why don't you just add the 2 most wanted countries?
Zanj and Korea.
You could use the Granada tag for Korea. And since Zanj is an eastern african country, you could take Ullen's idea (I slightly modified it) and replace Nubia with Zanj. Nubia doesn't make that big of a difference. And if you don't want Nubia, Sudan, and Batn Al Hajar to be neutral provinces. You could always just expand the mamalukes territory.
That's an idea! You should have a poll on whether or not to use Nubia as a tag for Zanj. Like, put "Do you want Nubia left in the game or not". or something to that extent.
This poll is getting stupid. You should just add the 2 most wanted countries. Or just flip a coin or something.
I want Cambodia in, providing you can create a scenario where Pol Pot has travelled back in time and discovered the fountain of eternal youth.
