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Hi. Thanks for the mod, it's really good. I always tried to get Austria-Hungary in Diplomacy, so it's fun to have it back here. And there is a real derth of World War I games out there.

In playing my first game last night, I was Austria-Hungary, playing on normal-normal. The war broke out as usual, but the Russians were all over me. Why? Because Germany hadn't attacked anyone! Not even into Belgium! When I had the diplomacy I took military control over Germany, and all the AI orders for the units were internal movements, no attacks were planned.

Has anyone else encountered this?

Thanks,
 
Allenby said:
I've not encountered this before, no.

Did the war break out in August 1914?
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Yes, war broke out in a very historical fashion. I ended the game in December 1914, more than enough time for Germany to do something. Tonight, after work, I'm going to play as Germany. (If you're super curious, I could send you the last autosave, which I have set to every three months.)

This mod is amazingly well done, once again. I definately haven't conquered Hearts of Iron, but I have been just dieing for a WWI game. Never did find a good paper one.
 
zq84trex said:
Yes, war broke out in a very historical fashion. I ended the game in December 1914, more than enough time for Germany to do something. Tonight, after work, I'm going to play as Germany. (If you're super curious, I could send you the last autosave, which I have set to every three months.)
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If it happens again, I'll be happy to have the save game file - dsw6000[a]hotmail.com
 
Hello,

In my current game (I'm A-H), Germany is being defeated by France and Russia and the UK (those stupid landings in Hamburg) and it's only september 1914...

Jan
 
Java of Flanders said:
Hello,

In my current game (I'm A-H), Germany is being defeated by France and Russia and the UK (those stupid landings in Hamburg) and it's only september 1914...

Jan
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What version?
 
The latest version... They managed to do a bit better in October-November and captured Belgium and recaptured the North from the British, but their by December-January Germany's armies were again crushed by the allies. The Russians captured several provinces in the East and France liberated Belgium and took the Alsace.

I gave up then because I couldn't see how Germany could be saved having lost already quite a few divisions...
 
Hmmm... I never expereince that, although my TGW experience mostly gonsist on giving Sweden Mustard gas and pounce upon Finland when the russian revolution comes...
 
Java of Flanders said:
The latest version... They managed to do a bit better in October-November and captured Belgium and recaptured the North from the British, but their by December-January Germany's armies were again crushed by the allies. The Russians captured several provinces in the East and France liberated Belgium and took the Alsace.

I gave up then because I couldn't see how Germany could be saved having lost already quite a few divisions...
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I have seen the Germans pushed back past Frankfurt by the French and still win. :) Have patience.
 
I've had the same thing happen to me in almost all my games as a minor CP nation with 1.05b. Germany NEVER ever makes a move into France. Ever. Seriously, I have never seen them gain a single French province without my direct involvement. For example, in my latest game as Sweden, after taking out Russia (which was VERY hard to do because the Germans would never attack without at least a 5-1 superiority), Germany had 250+ divisions and France only had around 170. Germany still didn't attack into France and the Brits/Belgians held Antwerp with around 20 divisions. I moved my entire 15 division army to Europe and got military access from Switzerland and took an undefended Beascon (sp?). My little 15 division stack was soon attacked on all sides by 50+ French divisions and their border with Germany had only 30 men along the entire front. Germany had at least 30 men in each border province, yet they still did not attack.
I reloaded the game several times but each time the Germans would just sit in their little bunkers while my brave 15 division stacked held off dozens of 50 division attacks from the French. Eventually I just took military control over all the satellite nations Germany released from Russia and gathered them in Belgium. In all I had gathered around 16 Polish divisions, 6 Bulgarian divisions, 4 Byelorussian divisions, and 6 Ukranian divisions. This allowed me to break through and capture Paris but the satellite nations ran out of manpower so my offensive came to a complete halt. Even with Paris under CP control, the Germans STILL refused to attack! I had to conquer all of France myself.
 
That is the fate of us Swedes, so far from god, so close to russia.
 
PPassive Germany-any way to change this?

İt is absolutely true that Germany is extremely passive on the Western Front.
İ've played as CP several times, as A-H,Ottoman Empire, Bulgaria,Romania,etc.
While Germany is very active on the Eastern Front,usually causing the Russian Government to fall in 1916 or 1917,resulting Russia to become Soviet Russia and become neutral, Germany strictly does not move a single army unit at the Western Front,despite some air units who are attacking the French constantly.
İt is quite interesting that the German Army Units are deployed from Russia to the Western Front after the Russian defeat,but do simply not dare to attack.
On the other hand the French and their allies are rather passive on the Western Front,too,while the Entente as well as the Central Powers are very active in Africa.
Only once did A-H attack on the İtalian Front,capture Grenoble ,but afterwards remained passive,too.
İs this related to the Trench-Warfare events?
While it is quite realistic from an historical point of view,it would be much more interesting if we could get some more action at the Western Front.
Do you think an event could get things running ?
P.E. the arrival of a certain number of US Troops in France could cause a offensive at the Western Front,respectively an event related to the Russian defeat could cause the Germanbs to attack as well.
İ don't know,but is it possible to include such triggers or would it hinder the gameplay and the free decisions of the player too much?
By the way,İ'm using the latest version of TGW.
 
Is it possible to include a choice in the Trench Warfare events? :)

"Do you want to play the historical Great War, or an unhistorical but exciting game of rapid offensives and sweeping manoeuvres?"

option a: Historical Great War (event works as normal)

option b: I want Blitzkrieg in 1914-18! (event doesn't do anything)
 
Tarihci said:
İs this related to the Trench-Warfare events?
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Is inactivity on the western front related to trench warfare events? Well, in February 1916 events fire that remove all the forts in Northwestern France and Belgium. The result is....inactivity.

Thus, I am under the impression that the static nature of the fighting is due to problems in the French and German AIs.
 
First off, I played HoI many times and enjoyed the it a lot but was getting bored and I remembered about mods for HoI. I was pleasantly surprised by the Great War mod =)

I played a bit as A-H and found that the Germans didn't advance too far into France, actually they didn't enter France at all and got locked up in Belguim with huge armies locked in battle for several months. Eventually there were minor gains for the French but German counterattacks claimed some of Belgium back.

On the East Front... I had to balance my forces to keep the Russians from breaking through.. but I stopped all their attacks with only the loss of one province. But the Germans, jeez, they kept losing ground and looked like they almost lost Berlin for a while. After I trampled Serbia, I had to launch an offensive to save Germany from collapse.

Another thing is river lines.... it was a nasty shock to see attacks over rivers taking a -75 modifier... Mountain attacks have a -70 so shouldn't rivers be a little less than that?

Also what kinds of troops are considered 'commandos' ?
 
dkwehr said:
Also what kinds of troops are considered 'commandos' ?
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Light infantry, marines and mountaineering troops are considered 'commandos'
 
Allenby said:
Have you downloaded the August 28th update? :)
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Yes,İ have the update.
İ think it is the best solution then either to assume military control over the ai or just to accept the statical situation due to trench warfare events.
By the way, İ observed that Germany was more active when İ played as Ottoman Empire and did not join the war.
Best regards
 
Tarihci said:
İ think it is the best solution then either to assume military control over the ai or just to accept the statical situation due to trench warfare events.
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You could manually edit the savegame file to remove the forts, but the armies would still do absolutely nothing. :)
 
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