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Drakken

Drakken

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Sergei,

How will the financing of the Crusade will be implemented in CK? It is very important, because it implies the selling and the morgaging of lands to local Church authorities and monasteries for money. From my documentation, knights had to raise four or five times their annual income to be able to equip themselves and buy the supplies on the road.

Drakken
 
I must agree that this is a rather important issue, and it would be nice to know how it will be modelled
 
Originally posted by Lord Prime
Perhaps it would be possible to loan money from the merchant-states. Venice and Genua in particular.
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It is after the third Crusade that the money will be loaned from the Merchant States. Before that, most of the money raised were loaned individually, or given in exchange of morgaging or simply selling allods to local monasteries or ecclesiastics.

Drakken
 
In fact this leads to a bigger question. I´ve heard very little of the financial model in the game. We could do with a bit of more info in regards to this aspect. Im not sure if I´m alone but I really want to se something better than EU2 in this aspect.
 
Maybe it's similar to the EU II "Raise wartaxes"?

Declaring/joining a crusade is something in the same vein, I'd think.
 
Well, Polish crusades against Prussian tribes shouldn't be so expensive. :) That's quite good for me, since I'm going to play Poland (or the Piast dynasty) first :D

But yes, I'm also very curious about the game's financial system.
 
It would be very nice to have this included into the diplomatic system. Example: You want to have a loan from Venice, fine, but they want you to conquer Constantinople in return... ;)
 
Originally posted by Tambourmajor
It would be very nice to have this included into the diplomatic system. Example: You want to have a loan from Venice, fine, but they want you to conquer Constantinople in return... ;)
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Nice but a bit unlikely to ever make it in.:)
 
Originally posted by Havard
Besides, it's not like it has any base in history either... ;)
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Hehum... 4th Crusade, anyone? :)

Drakken
 
Originally posted by Havard
Besides, it's not like it has any base in history either... ;)
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*Knocks Havard in the head with Eco's latest novel*

By the way, I strongly recommend 'Baudolino' for anyone interested in medieval history. :)
 
Originally posted by Norgesvenn
*Knocks Havard in the head with Eco's latest novel*

By the way, I strongly recommend 'Baudolino' for anyone interested in medieval history. :)
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Yup based on a true story... :D ;)
 
Originally posted by Drakken
Hehum... 4th Crusade, anyone? :)
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That was not caused by Venetian demands for giving a loan... ;)

It was caused by the Crusader negotiators gross miscalculation of their numbers, causing them to be too few to pay the agreed fee. Then the ball started rolling... No loan connected to this.
 
Originally posted by Havard
That was not caused by Venetian demands for giving a loan... ;)

It was caused by the Crusader negotiators gross miscalculation of their numbers, causing them to be too few to pay the agreed fee. Then the ball started rolling... No loan connected to this.
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Picky, picky! No loan, but credit was extended in a round about way.:)
 
Originally posted by Sonny
Picky, picky! No loan, but credit was extended in a round about way.:)
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Credit had to be extended - it was either that or forfeit payment altogether. If the French barons sent to negotiate with the Italians (they met with the Genoese too) had given a more accurate number of troops, the fourt crusade would have ended where it was aiming: Egypt.
 
Originally posted by Havard
Credit had to be extended - it was either that or forfeit payment altogether. If the French barons sent to negotiate with the Italians (they met with the Genoese too) had given a more accurate number of troops, the fourt crusade would have ended where it was aiming: Egypt.
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Between the time they negotiated with the Venetians and the time the crusade got under way a lot of enthusiasm was lost and their estimates were way off. It is kinda like MP - everyone says they want to play but nobody shows up on vnet.:D
 
Originally posted by Sonny
Between the time they negotiated with the Venetians and the time the crusade got under way a lot of enthusiasm was lost and their estimates were way off. It is kinda like MP - everyone says they want to play but nobody shows up on vnet.:D
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That's pretty much what happened, yes. Or they at least grossly overestimated the enthusiasm. In addition a few unfortunately deaths reduced the host. Copies of the treaty between the crusaders and the Venetians exists, and specifies that the crusaders requested transportation for 4500 horses, 4500 knights, 9000 squires and 20000 foot soldiers. The Venetians were also to provide supplies for one year. For this the Venetians were to receive four marks for each horse and two marks for each man; a total of 85000 marks of Cologne,. In addition, the Venetians offered to supply 50 war galleys to the crusade, in exchange for a half-share of any conquest made.

In the end only about a third of the estimated army arrived in Venice...
 
Originally posted by Havard
Credit had to be extended - it was either that or forfeit payment altogether. If the French barons sent to negotiate with the Italians (they met with the Genoese too) had given a more accurate number of troops, the fourt crusade would have ended where it was aiming: Egypt.
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another question is: would they fare better in egypt than their descendants? :confused:
 
Originally posted by Ladislav
another question is: would they fare better in egypt than their descendants? :confused:
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Now that's a whole different story...



I'd say no :D
Those crusaders could be glad they took the easy way out and went for Byzantium instead...
 
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