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I am starting this thread to look at India and to centralize the idea we have for it. Right now there seems to be a big movement to make it all Hindu, making the border with Hindu and Islam at about the Indus river or right around there. We also need to discuss how the state set up should be in this area.

If we go all Hindu, I would like to see an area the is very HRE like with a 20 or so city state 1-2 province countries all battling it out in a confused and shifting state. Then out of this rises 2 or 3 powers that end up challenging each other for top dog. (think Prussia)

If we decided not to go all Hindu there is also an idea to spilt the country into 3 definitely different states with different religions.

Personally, I think number one would be alot of fun and really open up a lot of possibilities.

Let the discussion begin. :)
 
AFAIK the south tends to be Buddhist while the north is Hindu. Sri lanka is definitely Buddhist, with a minority Hindu .. IIRC that's one of the reasons for the conflict between Tamils (Hindu) and the rest of the population.
 
King of Croatia said:
I think India should be Buddhist.

Hindu ended up absorbing large chunks of buddhist teachings which is why India ended up hindu.

dsk said:
AFAIK the south tends to be Buddhist while the north is Hindu. Sri lanka is definitely Buddhist, with a minority Hindu .. IIRC that's one of the reasons for the conflict between Tamils (Hindu) and the rest of the population.

Hmm, how about a Buddhist Sri Lanka state that holds 3 provinces, the two on the island then one on the main land. If it loses the main land province, it has the option to turn into a major trading power, and try and influence the Indonesia religion conflict that seems to be building steam.
 
I like an HRE-look, but we need to be careful. If we have 20 countries down there, we need to devise province-keyed events rather than country-keyed (and with a religion = hindu trigger, to avoid those events firing for non-indian countries), and leaders for each country (especially for later).

A trading buddhist country in Sri Lanka might be good too, but we have to decide on what to do about the unsettled provinces. If there aren't any left in southern india, the europeans (or any other) won't be able to colonize, and will be left to trade (which the AI sucks at) and conquest (which the AI sucks at too, when it's about colonial conquests).
A solution might be to leave one or two provinces left, but key an event to those provinces (possibly Mahe and Socotra too) so that colonial power who colonize them (and have discovered the coasts of India) get cores on some coastal provinces (otherwise, 2 BB/province for wrong-culture/wrong-religion provinces is a bit harsh).
 
lawkeeper said:
I like an HRE-look, but we need to be careful. If we have 20 countries down there, we need to devise province-keyed events rather than country-keyed (and with a religion = hindu trigger, to avoid those events firing for non-indian countries), and leaders for each country (especially for later).

A trading buddhist country in Sri Lanka might be good too, but we have to decide on what to do about the unsettled provinces. If there aren't any left in southern india, the europeans (or any other) won't be able to colonize, and will be left to trade (which the AI sucks at) and conquest (which the AI sucks at too, when it's about colonial conquests).
A solution might be to leave one or two provinces left, but key an event to those provinces (possibly Mahe and Socotra too) so that colonial power who colonize them (and have discovered the coasts of India) get cores on some coastal provinces (otherwise, 2 BB/province for wrong-culture/wrong-religion provinces is a bit harsh).

I will move alittle forword since no one seems to contest my ideas so far.

I have a preminarry map that I put together, most countries are 2 or 3 provences so that maybe we will not have a mass annaxing and BB wars that end up happening in the current HRE. I kind of wanted it so that states would have a chance to stick around for awhile. I have 10 two provence states, 4 three provence, and 2 four provences. The 2 fours are in the south center, one is completly surronded by 7 different states, and other would be buddist with a one or two provences that are hindu.

Take a look:
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Out of these, I want to make 4 or 5 allances, with one state that is definatly the dominate power which will end up getting most of the leaders and events. Hopefully this will lead to several states that end up on top consistantly, allowing for easier set-up when it comes for selecting player conuntries.

As far as colonization goes, how much do the European powers really colonize in India. In most of my experiance, they mostly just set up trade posts in Sri Lanka and thats about it. Most of the time, the mainland isn't colonized because they can't get past the massive native populations.
 
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Billdo said:
As far as colonization goes, how much do the European powers really colonize in India. In most of my experiance, they mostly just set up trade posts in Sri Lanka and thats about it. Most of the time, the mainland isn't colonized because they can't get past the massive native populations.

Yeah, I think the colonial situation in India is a bit weird...it might be better for it to be portrayed as more of a conquest (driven by events that gave cores, maybe) than normal colonization--it just doesn't seem the same as, say, the colonization of Australia, South America, or North America.

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Billdo said:
I have a preminarry map that I put together, most countries are 2 or 3 provences so that maybe we will not have a mass annaxing and BB wars that end up happening in the current HRE. I kind of wanted it so that states would have a chance to stick around for awhile. I have 10 two provence states, 4 three provence, and 2 four provences. The 2 fours are in the south center, one is completly surronded by 7 different states, and other would be buddist with a one or two provences that are hindu.
Seems good to me. :)
That's a way to keep more countries around for some time, and prevent 'accidents', without resorting to independence events.

Billdo said:
Out of these, I want to make 4 or 5 allances, with one state that is definatly the dominate power which will end up getting most of the leaders and events. Hopefully this will lead to several states that end up on top consistantly, allowing for easier set-up when it comes for selecting player conuntries.
Perhaps those minors that start allies of 'dominating powers' could have France-minors-like events, in case they take the ownership of the capitals of the deceased leader, so that they 'reform' the power ?

Billdo said:
As far as colonization goes, how much do the European powers really colonize in India. In most of my experiance, they mostly just set up trade posts in Sri Lanka and thats about it. Most of the time, the mainland isn't colonized because they can't get past the massive native populations.
Chairman Yang said:
Yeah, I think the colonial situation in India is a bit weird...it might be better for it to be portrayed as more of a conquest (driven by events that gave cores, maybe) than normal colonization--it just doesn't seem the same as, say, the colonization of Australia, South America, or North America.
I agree with that, as long as colonizers have the possibility to get a foot on the subcontinent. For one thing, you might avoid making capitals in coastal provinces, as much as possible (tough I understand it's not possible nor logical for every country).
 
Since Lawmaker has given his approval, I will move forward with this plan, however I have a problem, I have never done this before. I should have no problem with coding events, leaders, and monarchs, but as far as setting up the map, I have no clue how to do it. I know how I want it, what I want changed income wise, how I want relations and alliances set up, and where I want cores, est. So I will need some help with this.

Also, although I have some time over the next month or so, I don't think I will have time to write up monarchs for 17 states, and since at least 6 of these might end up lasting for a while, that’s a lot of monarchs. I will plug away with this as best I can, but I can guarantee that I will not be able to do it all.

Right now I have 4 Hindu alliances in the north, the weakest in the central north, mainly because the leader (Delhi) will not be as strong as the others. The strongest nation (Hyperion) is the only 4 province Hindu, but is in an alliance with only a 2 province and a 1 province nation (this one will be gone quickly). The eastern alliance will be the most interesting because it’s the largest alliance (4 states), so I might make the individual states a little weaker.

The south is going to be all Buddhist, the 3 southern states and Sri Lanka. The major conflict is between these three states and Sri Lanka, where if Sri Lanka pushes them back, they can end up doing great things in India, maybe even a buddist India. If they don't hold on to their one province on the main land, they can choose to look out to the sea and try to influence Indonesia (have to see how this area comes out before exactly how it will work). The surviving Buddhist states will probably become speed bumps (lower tech group) in the way of a Hindu country, but that’s still up in the air.

So I guess what I am saying is that I have the ideas and the drive, just need a little help because India is going to be a TON of work. I need someone that is up for the challenge.
 
Billdo said:
Since Lawmaker has given his approval, I will move forward with this plan, however I have a problem, I have never done this before. I should have no problem with coding events, leaders, and monarchs, but as far as setting up the map, I have no clue how to do it. I know how I want it, what I want changed income wise, how I want relations and alliances set up, and where I want cores, est. So I will need some help with this.
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So I guess what I am saying is that I have the ideas and the drive, just need a little help because India is going to be a TON of work. I need someone that is up for the challenge.
For the map, you can check the maps with the id's of provinces (look in oneof the tooltips of the editing forum). You only have to build countries' scenario files, and put the id's of the provinces in owned provinces and controlled provinces lines, and include the descriptions of the cities a bit lower. Open any file to see how it looks like, and use the same shema.
Cores are also given in those files (national provinces).
Relations can be made in those files too, alliances (RM's, vassalization, alliances) have to be made in the general scenario file (so you only have to post what you want as alliance, preferably in the appropriate form, in the submission thread, and I'll edit the file myself).

For the tags to use, try using those that already exist for countries of the area, and tell me how much more you need.
But the most important is to take some time to look at the scenario files, and how they're built. And paying a look in Havard's editing bible might be useful too.
 
I have most of my files written up, here are the countries:
Ones with tags:
Bengal
Delhi
Gujarat
Hyderabad
Vijayanagar
Malwa
Mysore
Orissa

Ones needing tags:
Awadh
Ceylon
Ganges
Madras
Lahore
Mahratti
Malabar
Oudh

I will start on the monarch files on Monday when I have some more time. If anyone wants to point me to a site where I can find some good hindu names that I can use, it would be most appreciated.
 
Ganges is more of a temp name to discribe a small poor 2 provance state on the delta of the Ganges. (I am going to move the COT) It will have the Ganges and Howrah provances. I really don't see the state lasting too long, maybe 50 years. Also thanks for the site, should be a help.
 
Alright, I have the set up and things ready to aberivate, but I need to know what people want to see happening in India (especally cause no one is talking). Right now I have the set up so there are 4 hindu alliances in the north, each of which will have a leader that will be stronger then the other 2 or 3 nations in the alliance, so they will have most of the events and leaders. A couple of the smaller nations might have the option to take over for the larger nations if they end up retaking the capital of the major. There is also a buddist alliance in the south, but these will end up being minor powers, then there is Sri Lanka which will have options on what it can do, land or sea, depending on how the first several years go.

For the most part I am ready to go on Sri Lanka's land path, and will probaly start on that soon, (sea I need to know what is going to happen in Indonasa, first) but I want to ask what everyone whats to do in the north. I see one allance as the patsy that gets beaten on to start (one lead by Dehli) but from there, I need to know what people want. Do you want a little more forced conquest, where you can try and unite Northern India, and make it a little more SP, or make it more open ended, and a little more MP. I could go either way. Personally, I would like to see the ROTW end up a little more SP orinated, but I can go the MP route too. (I am not trying to start up the SP MP argument again, but I figured I would ask)
 
Billdo said:
Alright, I have the set up and things ready to aberivate, but I need to know what people want to see happening in India (especally cause no one is talking). Right now I have the set up so there are 4 hindu alliances in the north, each of which will have a leader that will be stronger then the other 2 or 3 nations in the alliance, so they will have most of the events and leaders. A couple of the smaller nations might have the option to take over for the larger nations if they end up retaking the capital of the major. There is also a buddist alliance in the south, but these will end up being minor powers, then there is Sri Lanka which will have options on what it can do, land or sea, depending on how the first several years go.

For the most part I am ready to go on Sri Lanka's land path, and will probaly start on that soon, (sea I need to know what is going to happen in Indonasa, first) but I want to ask what everyone whats to do in the north. I see one allance as the patsy that gets beaten on to start (one lead by Dehli) but from there, I need to know what people want. Do you want a little more forced conquest, where you can try and unite Northern India, and make it a little more SP, or make it more open ended, and a little more MP. I could go either way. Personally, I would like to see the ROTW end up a little more SP orinated, but I can go the MP route too. (I am not trying to start up the SP MP argument again, but I figured I would ask)

Cool. Unfortunately I won't be able to help you due to being in the middle of exams right now, but here's what I'd personally like to see:

* most of the North Indian minors should be able to become "Hindustan" if they control all of the Hindi-culture provinces, along with a few others. This should be done fairly soon (within 100 years or so), and most of the beneficial events/leaders should go to this Hindustan country. Maybe the alliance leaders should have cores on the necessary provinces so they're more likely to assume leadership of Northern India.
* same basic situation for South India, with the Buddhist twist as you say. I'm not sure what a good name for the united South Indian nation would be, though. Maybe "Travancore"?
* Bengali/Orissan/East India could be contested between North and South.
* Sri Lanka as an Indonesian colonial power sounds interesting. If it's Hindu it could aid with a Hindu resurgence in Indonesia (led by Mataram), otherwise South India could do that.
* As for events past this, I'd like to see Hindustan/Hinduism expand up to the edge of Persia through events (cores, missionaries, conversions) and after that, as a major power, leave it pretty freeform. If the country is too powerful after that Buddhist revolts (aided by South India) could be a slowing factor.
* South India should focus on expanding colonially and aiding Hindu Indonesia (if it's Hindu), or go for Southeast Asia (if it's Buddhist). Whether it's Hindu or Buddhist overall would be determined by which minor manages to unite it.
* Much later in the game (maybe around 1700 or later) there should be the potential for major Hindustan/South India conflict. If enough of India is taken by one side (at least 75% of opponent + East India) then a new, single nation could be formed. This will be a tremendously powerful country so it should be very hard to do, and involve lots of post-unification revolts.

So, in summary:

for North India:
minor --> unite and become Hindustan --> expand/convert West until the edge of Persia, maybe with the option of going further --> deal with internal revolts --> squabble with South India over East India --> have option of uniting all of India

for South India:
minor --> unite and become either Hindu or Buddhist South Indian state --> if Hindu, Indonesian focus; if Buddhist, Southeast Asian focus --> conflict with North India --> can also unite all of India

Hope you like some of these ideas!
 
Here are some early events for Ceylon, if they go land that is. I have not prof read them at all, but I tried to make it seem like you were playing a real country
Billdo said:
#Events for Ceylon
#By Billdo : aka William Lyon






#Deciecion on where to focus

event = {
id =
trigger = {
NOT = {
owned = {
province = 575
data =
}
}
}
random = no
country =
name = "Question for the future"
desc = "With the loss of the last possessions on the main land, questions arose about what the direction our expansion should continue. There were voices that called for a renewal of the efforts to regain control on the mainland. However, most of the leaders knew how hard it was to gain the first foothold and indorsed a plan to expand into the rumored islands to the east."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1820 }

action_a ={
name = "East is where our destiny is"
command = { type = stability value = -2 } #Not all are happy about this
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 3 }
command = { type = removecore which = 575 } #mainland cores
command = { type = removecore which = 572 }
command = { type = removecore which = 573 }
command = { type = removecore which = 574 }
command = { type = warships which = -2 value = 4 }
command = { type = wakeleader which = } #short lived exporer
command = { type = trade value = 500 }
command = { type = naval value = 1000 }
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = -3 }
command = { type = setflag which = ceylon_sea }
#will wake and sleep monarchs
}
action_b ={
name = "Why go to the unknown, we are the true masters of India"
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 2 }
command = { type = land value = 1000}
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 10000 }
command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 5000 }
command = { type = transports which = -2 value = 10 }
}
}

event = {
id =
trigger = {
NOT = {
flag = ceylon_sea
}
owned = { province = 573 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 574 data = -1 }
atwar = no
}
random = no
country =
name = "Pushing inland"
desc = "With continuing victories on the main land, Ceylon had gained a true avantage over the other buddist countries. Some say we should push on, others say we need to fortify our position."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1430 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1500 }

action_a ={
name = "Why give them time to regroup, we have them on the run."
command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 2 }
command = { type = INF which = 573 value = 5000 }
command = { type = CAV which = 573 value = 2000 }
}
action_b ={
name = "We need to fortify our position."
command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = -2}
command = { type = fortress which = 573 value = 1 }
command = { type = fortress which = 574 value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -250 }
}
}

event = {
id =
trigger = {
NOT = {
flag = ceylon_sea
}
owned = { province = 568 data = -1}
owned = { province = 567 data = -1}
provincereligion = { province = 568 data = hinduism }
provincereligion = { province = 567 data = hinduism }
}
random = no
country =
name = "Slash and Burn"
desc = "The hindus in northern Mysore had always been treated with fair amount of respect and understanding by the ruling buddists, however Ceylon forces treated them the exact opposite, killing any hindus they found. Thousands fled their homes and farms in front of the advancing forces to escape. While holding back their troops meant a more people staying, it also meant the provance would be harder to control."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1444 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1550 }

action_a ={
name = " Let them play "
command = { type = revolt which = 568 }
command = { type = revolt which = 567 }
command = { type = revolt which = 568 }
command = { type = revolt which = 567 }
command = { type = conversion which = 568 }
command = { type = conversion which = 567 }
command = { type = population which = 568 value = -5000 }
command = { type = population which = 567 value = -8000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 568 value = -4 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 567 value = -6 }
command = { type = treasury value = 2000 }#booty
command = { type = addcore which = 568 }
command = { type = addcore which = 568 }
command = { type = trigger which = #reaction event from hindu nation}
}
action_b ={
name = "Hold them back"
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 568 value = 7 }#event later to lower this, not written
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 567 value = 7 }
command = { type = population which = 568 value = -1000 }
command = { type = population which = 567 value = -2000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 568 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 567 value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 250 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = #repopulate event }
}
}


event = {
id =
trigger = {
NOT = {
flag = ceylon_sea
}
owned = { province = 565 data = -1}
provincereligion = { province = 565 data = hinduism }
}
random = no
country =
name = "Slash and Burn"
desc = "The hindus in northern Mandas had always been treated with fair amount of respect and understanding by the ruling buddists, however Ceylon forces treated them the exact opposite, killing any hindus they found. Thousands fled their homes and farms in front of the advanceing forces to escape the rampaging forces. While holding back their troops meant a more people staying, it also meant the provance would be harder to control."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1440 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1550 }

action_a ={
name = " Let them play "
command = { type = revolt which = 565 }
command = { type = revolt which = 565 }
command = { type = conversion which = 565 }
command = { type = population which = 565 value = -8000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 565 value = -4 }
command = { type = treasury value = 1000 }
command = { type = trigger which = #reaction event}
}
action_b ={
name = "Hold them back"
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 565 value = 7 }
command = { type = population which = 565 value = -2000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 565 value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 125 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = #repopulate event }
}
}

event = {
id =
trigger = {
NOT = {
flag = ceylon_sea
}
owned = { province = 568 data = -1}
owned = { province = 567 data = -1}
}
random = no
country =
name = " The Repopulation of northern Mysore "
desc = " Finnally, years after the toarching of thousands of acres of land in northern Mysore resulting in the killing or running off most of the population, enough people have finnaly resettled the area to increase its worth to us."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1525}
offset = 3650
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600}

action_a ={
name = " Excatly what I had in mind "
command = { type = population which = 568 value = 10000 }
command = { type = population which = 567 value = 20000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 568 value = 6 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 567 value = 8 }
}
}

event = {
id =
trigger = {
NOT = {
flag = ceylon_sea
}
owned = { province = 565 data = -1}
}
random = no
country =
name = " The Repopulation of Yanam "
desc = " Finnally, years after the toarching of thousands of acres of land in Yanam resulting in the killing or running off most of the population, enough people have finnaly resettled the area to increase its worth to us."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1525}
offset = 3650
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1600}

action_a ={
name = " Excatly what I had in mind "
command = { type = population which = 565 value = 20000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 565 value = 8 }
}
}

event = {
id =
trigger = {
NOT = {
flag = ceylon_sea
}
owned = { province = 565 data = -1}
owned = { province = 568 data = -1}
owned = { province = 567 data = -1}
owned = { province = 569 data = -1}
owned = { province = 570 data = -1}
owned = { province = 571 data = -1}
owned = { province = 572 data = -1}
owned = { province = 573 data = -1}
owned = { province = 574 data = -1}
owned = { province = 575 data = -1}
}
random = no
country =
name = " The Consodidation Power "
desc = " With the last of the opposition to Ceylons control of southern India eleminated, the leaders desided that it was time to consodiate their holdings bofore making a push into northern India. Pushing most military leaders out of high offices, fortification efferts were put into place on the border. New crop lands were plowed, roads were built, and great emphasis was placed on learning and religous matters. It was a golden age for the new overloads of the south"

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1460}
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1500}
action_a ={
name = " Focus on the Economy "
command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = -3}
command = { type = population which = 572 value = 5000 }
command = { type = population which = 575 value = 2000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 572 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 572 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 575 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 575 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 574 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 574 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 573 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 573 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 571 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 571 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 570 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 570 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 569 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 569 value = 1 }
command = { type = fortress which = 565 value = 1 }
command = { type = fortress which = 568 value = 1 }
command = { type = fortress which = 567 value = 1 }
command = { type = infa value = 5000}
command = { type = trade value = 5000}
command = { type = treasury value = -1000 }
}

action_b = {
name = " Keep the military in command, we have no need to build the economy"
command = { type = stability value = -4 } #basicly a military coup
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 36 value = 10 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = LAND value = 1 }
command = { type = INF which = 573 value = 10000 }
command = { type = CAV which = 573 value = 2000 }
command = { type = setflag which = ceylon_mil }
command = { #wake and sleep a bunch of monarchs and leaders (need IDs)}
}
}



# capital moving event, to get rid of that nasty negitive on income from no land connection to capital
event = {
id = 200533
trigger = {
event =
Not = {
flag = ceylon_mil
}
}
random = no
country =
name = "Main land power"
desc = "While his father was mainly Concerned with finishing off the conquests of the mainland, (insert name) knew that the only way to truly make them part of the empire was to be among them. As such, he drecreed that a capital city be built on the mainland worthy of the new empire and that it be the center of trade and learning for years to come."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1465}
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1500}
action_a ={
name = " If the King wills it, it shall be done "
command = { type = population which = 575 value = 2000 }#movement of people and officers
command = { type = provincetax which = 575 value = 1 }
command = { type = population which = 576 value = -2000 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 576 value = -1 }
command = { type = capital which = 576 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization = 2 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy = 2 }
command = { type = stability value = -2}
command = { type = treasury value = -500 }
}
action_b ={
name = " Leave it as is "
command = { type = stability value = 1}
command = { type = vp value = -50 }
}
}

This is my first time writing events, please let me know what you think.

edit: I know there are no ID tags for the events or for the country, but I didn't know what tags were taken so I left them blank for now. :D
 
The problem with the first one I can see is that it fires if Ceylon doesn't own 575 even if it owns 6 other provinces on the Indian mainland, which would look a bit weird when it told you'd lost all your possessions. The trigger needs some ANDs adding.