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Have we decided what to do with Persia yet? As things stand we still seem to have a Timurid Empire... I've seen suggestions that it be pretty much like vanilla Persia, or that it be Sunni, or that it abandon Islam and go back to some Zoroastrian-like religion...
 
what would be the main reason behind abandoning Islam?the faith there was considerably strong...unless the Indians interfere perhaps?
 
Events for Jodhpur for up till 1450:

Code: 
event = {
	id = 202501
	trigger = {
		not ={
			exists = GUJ
			core = { province = 541 data = -1 } 
			badboy = 10}
		}
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " Control of Gujarat"
	desc = "  Jodhpur had always had close ties with Gujarat.  After 
several years of continued good relations, the two countries were made one, 
though in reality, Jodhpur basicly took over control of the smaller state."
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419}
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1819}
	action_a = {
		name = " Incorperate them "
		command = { type = addcore which = 541 }
		command = { type = addcore whcih = 547 }
	}
}

event = {
	id = 202502
	trigger = {
		not ={
			exists = ARG
			core = { province = 539 data = -1 } 
			badboy = 10}
		}
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " Control of Lahore"
	desc = " Jodhpur had always had close ties with Lahore.  After 
several years of continued good relations, the two countries were made one, 
though in reality, Jodhpur basicly took over control of the smaller state."
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419}
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1819}
	action_a = {
		name = " Incorperate them "
		command = { type = addcore which = 539 }
		command = { type = addcore whcih = 540 }
	}
}


event ={
	id = 202503
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " The first raid "
	trigger = {
		neighbour = HYD
		}
	desc = " While they had agreed on how to divide up Dehli and its 
allies, tensions with Hyderbad had been building ever since.  There had been 
small isolated conflicts, but nothing that had been at all orginized.  After one 
of these border flare up turned particually nasty, with dozens left dead, 
Jodhpur felt like it needed to act.  Sending the first major raid across the 
border and burning several small towns brought a major responce from 
Hyderbad and lead to the first onset of major hostilities between the two 
powers."
	date = { day = 16 month = july year = 1435}
	offset = 1
	deathdate = { day = 31 month = June year = 1440}
	action_a ={
		name = " We must protect our bourder "
 		command = { type = cash value = 200 }
		command = { type = stability  value = -1}
		command = { type = wakeleader which = XXXX}
		command = { type = trigger which = 202603}
		}
}

event ={
	id = 202504
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " The first great war "
	trigger = { 
		war = yes
		event = 202503
		}
	desc = " War had been building and hanging over both Jodhpur and
 Hyderbad for a while, so when it finally broke out, both sides mobilized 
thousands of extra troops.  While it was short, it was only the beginning."
	date = { day = 14 month = july year = 1435}
	offset = 230
	deathdate { day = 15 december year = 1438}
	action_a ={
		name = "We must crush them"
		command = { type = inf which = -2 value = 10000}
		command = { type = cav which = -2 value = 5000}
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive = 1}
	}
}


event ={
	id = 202505
	random = no
	country = JAI
	mame = " Aftermath of the first war "
	trigger ={
		owned = 551
		war = no
		event = 202504
		}
	desc = " Jodhpur won the first war and pushed Hyderbad all the 
way back into its core provinces.  Unforcanatly, holding onto these 
provences was harder then capturing them.  Within a few months, there was 
full scale revolts in the occupied areas."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1450}
	action_a={
		name = " Try and hold on to it "
		command = { type = stability value = -1}
		command = { type = revolt which = 551}
		command = { type = revolt which = 551}
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 551 value = 30}
		}
	action_b={
		name = "Fighting on is not worth it "
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HYD value = 551}
		command = { type = stablity whcih = 1}
		command = { type = vp value = 10}
	}
}


event ={
	id = 202506
	random = no
	country = JAI
	mame = " Aftermath of the first war "
	trigger ={
		owned = 550
		war = no
		event = 202604
		}
	desc = " Jodhpur won the first war and pushed Hyderbad all the 
way back into its core provinces.  Unforcanatly, holding onto these 
provences was harder then capturing them.  Within a few months, there was 
full scale revolts in the occupied areas."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1450}
	action_a={
		name = " Try and hold on to it "
		command = { type = stability value = -1}
		command = { type = revolt which = 550}
		command = { type = revolt which = 550}
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 550 value = 30}
		}
	action_b={
		name = "Fighting on is not worth it "
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HYD value = 550}
		command = { type = stablity whcih = 1}
		command = { type = vp value = 10}
	}
}	

event ={
	id = 202507
	random = no
	country = JAI
	mame = " Aftermath of the first war "
	trigger ={
		owned = 563
		war = no
		event = 202504
		}
	desc = " Jodhpur won the first war and pushed Hyderbad all the 
way back into its core provinces.  Unforcanatly, holding onto these 
provences was harder then capturing them.  Within a few months, there was 
full scale revolts in the occupied areas."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1450}
	action_a={
		name = " Try and hold on to it "
		command = { type = stability value = -1}
		command = { type = revolt which = 563}
		command = { type = revolt which = 563}
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 563 value = 30}
		}
	action_b={
		name = "Fighting on is not worth it "
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HYD value = 563}
		command = { type = stablity whcih = 1}
		command = { type = vp value = 10}
	}
}

event = {
	id = 202508
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " Loss of Bastar "
	trigger ={
		event = 202507
		control = {province = 563 data = REB }
		}
	desc = " With complete control of Bastar, rebals have pledged 
loyalty to Hyderpur again.  With our troops tired of fighting, and going back 
in meaning another war, Jadhpur backed off."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1500}	
	action_a ={
		name = "We need to back off."
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HYD value = 563}
		command = { type = addcore which = 563}
	}
}
		

event = {
	id = 202509
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " Loss of Maharashtra "
	trigger ={
		event = 202506
		control = {province = 550 data = REB }
		}
	desc = " With complete control of Maharashtra, rebals have 
pledged loyalty to Hyderpur again.  With our troops tired of fighting, and 
going back in meaning another war, Jadhpur backed off.  However, the claim 
had been made."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1500}	
	action_a ={
		name = "We need to back off."
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HYD value = 550}
		command = { type = addcore which = 550}
	}
}


event = {
	id = 202510
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " Loss of Khandesh "
	trigger ={
		event = 202505
		control = {province = 551 data = REB }
		}
	desc = " With complete control of Khandesh, rebals have pledged 
loyalty to Hyderpur again.  With our troops tired of fighting, and going back
 in meaning another war, Jadhpur backed off."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1500}	
	action_a ={
		name = "We need to back off."
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HYD value = 551}
		command = { type = addcore which = 551}
	}
}

event = {
	id = 202511
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " Seeds of the second war."
		trigger ={
			control  = { province = 543 data = HYD }
			war = no
			event = 202504
		}
	desc = " Humiliated by the defeat at the hands of Hyderpur, 
especially the loss of Delhi, Jodhpur decided not to let it happen again.  
Recruitment centers were set up across the country, new regiments were 
set up, and a greater emphasis was placed on new tactics.  Within 7 years, 
there were ready for war again."
	date = {day = 15 month = May year = 1439}
	offset = 80
	deathdate = { day = 31 month = may year = 1500}
	action_a ={
		name = " We will not lose again"
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 1}
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 1}
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -2 value = 2}
		command = { type = domestic which = land value = 1}
		command = { type = land value = 1000}
		command = { type = stablity value = -2}
		command = { type = cash value = -200}
		}
}

And the for Hyderpur:

Code: 
event = {
	id = 202601
	trigger = {
		not ={
			exists = HYD
			core = { province = 546 data = -1 } 
			badboy = 10}
		}
	random = no
	country = HYD
	name = " Control of Oudh"
	desc = " Hyderabad had always had close ties with Malwa.  After 
several years of continued good relations, the two countries were made one, 
though in reality, Hyderabad basicly took over control of the smaller state."
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419}
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { day = 31 month = december = 1819}
	action_a = {
		name = " Incorperate them "
		command = { type = addcore which = 546 }		
	}
}

event = {
	id = 202602
	trigger = {
		not ={
			exists = ABB
			core = { province = 549 data = -1 } 
			badboy = 10}
		}
	random = no
	country = HYD
	name = " Control of Malabar"
	desc = "  Hyderabad had always had close ties with Malabar.  After 
several years of continued good relations, the two countries were made one,
 though in reality, Hyderabad basicly took over control of the smaller state."
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419}
	offset = 300
	deathdate = { day = 31 month = december = 1819}
	action_a = {
		name = " Incorperate them "
		command = { type = addcore which = 548 }
		command = { type = addcore whcih = 549 }
	}
}

event ={
	id = 202603
	random = no
	country = HYD
	name = " We are being Raided "
	desc = " While they had agreed on how to divide up Dehli and its 
allies, tensions with Hyderbad had been building ever since.  There had been
 small isolated conflicts, but nothing that had been at all orginized.  After 
one of these border flare up turned particually nasty, with dozens left dead,
 Jodhpur felt like it needed to act.  Sending the first major raid across the 
border and burning several small towns brought a major responce from 
Hyderbad and lead to the first onset of major hostilities between the two powers."
	action_a ={
		name = " We need to respond "
		command = { type = relation   which = JAI value = -200 }
		command = { type = casusbelli   which = JAI value = 36 }
		command = { type = stability value = -1}
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 1}
		command = { type = domestic which = land value = 1}
	}
}


event ={
	id = 202604
	random = no
	country = HYD
	name = " The first great war "
	trigger = { 
		war = yes
		event = 202603
		}
	desc = " War had been building and hanging over both Jodhpur and 
Hyderbad for a while, so when it finally broke out, both sides mobilized 
thousands of extra troops.  While it was short, it was only the beginning of a greater extended confict."
	date = { day = 14 month = july year = 1435}
	offset = 230
	deathdate = { day = 15 december year = 1438}
	action_a ={
		name = "We must crush them"
		command = { type = inf which = -2 value = 10000}
		command = { type = cav which = -2 value = 5000}
		command = { type = stability value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive = 1}
	}
}

event ={
	id = 202605
	random = no
	country = HYD
	mame = " Aftermath of the first war "
	trigger ={
		owned = 1523
		war = no
		event = 202604
		}
	desc = " After the first war, Hyderbad won the first war and 
pushed Jodhpur all the way back into its core provinces.  Unforcanatly, 
holding onto these provences was harder then capturing them.  Within a few
 months, there was full scale revolts in the occupied areas."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1450}
	action_a={
		name = " Try and hold on to it "
		command = { type = stability value = -1}
		command = { type = revolt which = 1523}
		command = { type = revolt which = 1523}
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 1523 value = 30}
		}
	action_b={
		name = "Fighting on is not worth it "
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = JAI value = 1523}
		command = { type = stablity whcih = 1}
		command = { type = vp value = 10}
	}
}


event ={
	id = 202606
	random = no
	country = HYD
	mame = " Aftermath of the first war "
	trigger ={
		owned = 1522
		war = no
		event = 202604
		}
	desc = " After the first war, Hyderbad won the first war and 
pushed Jodhpur all the way back into its core provinces.  Unforcanatly, 
holding onto these provences was harder then capturing them.  Within a few
 months, there was full scale revolts in the occupied areas."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1450}
	action_a={
		name = " Try and hold on to it "
		command = { type = stability value = -1}
		command = { type = revolt which = 1522}
		command = { type = revolt which = 1522}
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 1522 value = 30}
		}
	action_b={
		name = "Fighting on is not worth it "
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = JAI value = 1522}
		command = { type = stablity whcih = 1}
		command = { type = vp value = 10}
	}
}

event = {
	id = 202607
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " Loss of Bikaner "
	trigger ={
		event = 202506
		control = {province = 1522 data = REB }
		}
	desc = " With complete control of Bikaner, rebals have pledged 
loyalty to Judhpur again.  With our troops tired of fighting, and going back in 
meaning another war, Hyderpur backed off."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1500}	
	action_a ={
		name = "We need to back off."
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HYD value = 1522}
		command = { type = addcore which = 1522}
	}
}
		

event = {
	id = 202608
	random = no
	country = JAI
	name = " Loss of Jhar"
	trigger ={
		event = 202605
		control = {province = 1523 data = REB }
		}
	desc = " With complete control of Jhar, rebals have pledged loyalty 
to Judhpur again.  With our troops tired of fighting, and going back in 
meaning another war, Hyderpur backed off.  However, the claim had been made."
	date = {day = 15 december year = 1438}
	offset = 60
	deathdate = {day = 31 december year = 1500}	
	action_a ={
		name = "We need to back off."
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = HYD value = 1523}
		command = { type = addcore which = 1523}
	}
}


event = {
	id = 202609
	random = no
	country = HYD
	name = " Seeds of the second war."
		trigger ={
			owned  = { province = 545 data = JAI }
			war = no
			event = 202604
		}
	desc = " Humiliated by the defeat at the hands of Jodhpur, 
especially the loss of Bundelahand, Hyderpur decided not to let it happen 
again.  Recruitment centers were set up across the country, new regiments 
were set up, and a greater emphasis was placed on new tactics.  Within 7 
years, there were ready for war again."
	date = {day = 15 month = May year = 1439}
	offset = 80
	deathdate = { day = 31 month = may year = 1500}
	action_a ={
		name = " We will not lose again"
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 1}
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 1}
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -2 value = 2}
		command = { type = domestic which = land value = 1}
		command = { type = land value = 1000}
		command = { type = stablity value = -2}
		command = { type = cash value = -200}
		}
}

event = {
	id = 202610
	random = no
	country = HYD
	name = " The second great conflict "
	trigger ={
		event = 202609
		}
	desc = " The fustration that was left after the first war finnally 
boiled over in 1450.  With a new king on the throne that grown up wanting 
another chance at their old foe, an excuse was a reason for going to war.  
Within the first several months he came up with a set up excuse, and 
preparded for war."
	date = {day = 1 month = march year = 1450}
	offset = 30
	deathdate ={ day = 31 month = december year = 1500}
	action_a ={
		name = "REVENGE!! "
		command = { type = relation   which = JAI value = -300 }
		command = { type = casusbelli   which = JAI value = 48 }
		command = { type = inf which = -2 value = 5000}
		command = { type = cav which = -2 value = 2000}
	}
}

#in case the first war is a draw, or only several small provinces are taken

event = {
	id = 202611
	random = HYD
	name = " The second great conflict "
	trigger ={
		not ={
			event = 202511
			event = 202609	
		}
	desc = " After a disapporting draw in the first great war, both 
powers rebuilt their power in preperation for what both knew would be a 
renewed conflict.  When a new king rose to the throne in Hyderpur, he set 
his main goal in his reign to defeat his nation's old rival.  Within several 
months, he had an excuse to go to war created, and made ready for it."
	date = {day = 1 month = july year = 1450}
	offset = 30
	deathdate ={ day = 31 month = december year = 1500}
	action_a ={
		name = " Destory them."
		command = { type = relation   which = JAI value = -300 }
		command = { type = casusbelli   which = JAI value = 48 }
	}
}

More to come tomorrow night. (no football on :( )
 
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Hyderpur and Jodhpur, the two main majors in Northern India, are for the
most part scripted till the unification event. I have a few very small holes to
fill in, like the final event that forces unification in case the AI sucks, but other then that, should be ready to go.

I need AI files written for them, and I really don't have a clue how to do
that and would really rather have someone else do it. I now have to write in
Bengal, which should not be too hard, only 1 or 2 events, and I will be ready
to move into united India. United India will not take as long, not as many
events that interrelated with other nations events, and more open ended
events.

I do want to apologue for the delay, been busy with other things in RL job
wise, but should have some time this weekend to really work on it a bit
more. I would also like comments on the last series of events, I know they
are long, but please read though them and look for errors and such, or if
they make sense. :)
 
Want to give any ideas on how India should look in Vicky Aberration? Mostly based on what kind of India should most likely form from this biiiig buuuunch of events.
 
Byakhiam said:
Want to give any ideas on how India should look in Vicky Aberration? Mostly based on what kind of India should most likely form from this biiiig buuuunch of events.
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Northern India will be under the boot of a large Hindu government that is woefully under developed. (it will be in Muslim tech group.) It should have pushed into Persia, southern and northeastern India.

Southern India is Buddhist and under the control of Ceylon (Sri Lanka, maybe the 3 most southern EU provinces). Ceylon is an advanced (well for a ROTW nation) trader nation with colonies in Indonesia and maybe as far as northern Australia.

In northeast India is a open area with a minor nation that might be a protectorate of some European power. (Bengal) Should only really control the eastern Ganges River valley and not much else.

Any questions, just ask. I know the events are hard to follow, and there are alot of them, but they will thin out a little after this. :)
 
I'm not sure would I be unable to follow those events, but I'm just too lazy to look through them all. :D

So India would still be divided by 1836? With uncivilized large hindu nation in the north and somewhat advanced buddhist Ceylon with some continental possessions in the south. Bengal would also be uncivilized and up for grabs.
 
The AI files really aren't that hard. I'll do them if I have to though.

For the events, they look good, but for the "war = yes" and war = no triggers, why not use war = { country = aaa country = bbb ) and NOT when you want them not to be at war? Incidentally, the trigger is atwar ;)
 
tombom said:
The AI files really aren't that hard. I'll do them if I have to though.

For the events, they look good, but for the "war = yes" and war = no triggers, why not use war = { country = aaa country = bbb ) and NOT when you want them not to be at war? Incidentally, the trigger is atwar ;)
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I might give AI files a crack, but that will be the last thing I do. And for the events, thats a good idea, I will change that.
 
::bump::

Digging this thread up from the deep dark bottom of the pile. I am going to go over the events, especialy the northern indian events. Ceylons should stay about the same. Maybe a couple of minor modifcations.
 
The Kaliphate vs. India conflict will probably go into my area too, working on Central Asia /Persia, should be no problem if the Kaliphate have succeed in crushing the Il Khanate, but there could be a surviving Il Khanate instead (will probably only happen if it is player controlled, it will be pushed around by uzbekhs, chagatais, nestorian revolters and a persian vassal, and not to mention the Klaiphate). Another possibility is that the zoroastrian principal of Fars have been able to revolt against the Il Khan and created the new Persian Empire. In that case Persia will be the dominating power in Persia.
 
Billdo,

I have taken the time to read through all your posted events as well as the timeline summary you posted.

First, thanks for the work you have done on this. It is heading in an interesting direction. Here are my main comments.


Ceylon

I love the storyline for the first one hundred years or so. Solid concepts with an intriguing set of choices for the player to make. If the option is taken to let the youngest son go exploring, it needs to be a precursor event to continued colonisation and exploration by Ceylon. This needs o be the crux event between them being a colonial/trading power and them being a land power that gets heavily involved on the sub-continent mainland. Because otherwise, there is little incentive there for the player to take that option. The effects of his loss, the King's debiltating depression and the subsequent civil war means that currently its a no-brainer: keep the young man at home!

I challenge the first two events, though. They are absolutely impossible. To belive that a new and glorious capital can be constructed in ten years defies even contemporary construction techniques. Major capitals are built over a period of hundreds of years. If you want to move the capital to a brand new location, that's fine, but in ten years you will have wooden buildings up and the plans completed for the king's palace, and that's about it, even if you focused national energies. The kind of effort you have described is reminiscent of the Pyramids. By the pharoahs built one at a time and they were rarely finished in time for that monarch's death. I think these ideas need to be throroughly reworked.


Northern India

My first impression is that this is fine. Three dominant powers struggling in possibly-fruitless wars. Very much what the world and India has seen plenty of. It's a fine starting structure.

However, I wonder about the use of all those cores. The Core/Shield is a concept for the European theatre. It encompasses the noton that to some degree your peers (other nations in Europe) accept that you have a prior claim on an area, and see your conquest of it as less aggressive or unacceptable. Hence the halved BB cost. But does this really apply to India? Did anyone really acknowledge that people had 'legitimate claims' on other regions? My feeling is that there ought to be almost no shields for anyone in India.

Then again, was the conquest of provinces considered as being as bad as it was in Europe? Or was it just, y'know, what happened back then? In which case, one could equally put the argument that every nation on the subcontinent should have the full slate of cores on every Indian province.

Thoughts?


Event Effects

A little too strong some times, with too many free troops being handed out. These need to cost ducats every single time.

Also, the concepts in one of the events wherein recruiting stations are set up and the country takes seven years to mobilise for war is very very 19th century Europe, and even long in time for that. I just don't see the concept of the event as being appropriate to the setting at all.

Still, it's all going in the right direction. Please keep up the good work.
 
Perhaps the Indian states should industrialize too?the idea seems to be very intresting after reading Years of Rice and Salt :D
 
MattyG said:
Billdo,

I have taken the time to read through all your posted events as well as the timeline summary you posted.

First, thanks for the work you have done on this. It is heading in an interesting direction. Here are my main comments.


Ceylon

I love the storyline for the first one hundred years or so. Solid concepts with an intriguing set of choices for the player to make. If the option is taken to let the youngest son go exploring, it needs to be a precursor event to continued colonisation and exploration by Ceylon. This needs o be the crux event between them being a colonial/trading power and them being a land power that gets heavily involved on the sub-continent mainland. Because otherwise, there is little incentive there for the player to take that option. The effects of his loss, the King's debiltating depression and the subsequent civil war means that currently its a no-brainer: keep the young man at home!

I challenge the first two events, though. They are absolutely impossible. To belive that a new and glorious capital can be constructed in ten years defies even contemporary construction techniques. Major capitals are built over a period of hundreds of years. If you want to move the capital to a brand new location, that's fine, but in ten years you will have wooden buildings up and the plans completed for the king's palace, and that's about it, even if you focused national energies. The kind of effort you have described is reminiscent of the Pyramids. By the pharoahs built one at a time and they were rarely finished in time for that monarch's death. I think these ideas need to be throroughly reworked.
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The main reason I stopped there is for Indonesia to be set up before I pushed on for this country. The main problem with if you don't send off the expedition is that later, after the son dies as king, you are stuck on the colonial path, no more land conquest. Also, after his death, you suffer a civil war that is harder, and you can't gain as many allies in Indonesia. So you get a 20 year jump on getting good colonies, but it becomes harder later.

As far as the cap thing, I could scale it back a little, or make it so that the temple does not show up for 20 years after you start it. I was thinking on the lines of St Petersburg when I wrote the event, a monarch so determined to build his great city that he would work anyone to death, and it ended up consuming him. Besides by that point your probably knee deep in loans, you shelled out 1000 in 1450 for the consolidation of power event, 500 in 1461 to move the cap, 250 in 1463 for the final move, and 100 more in 1465. I only stated that it was the "Pearl of the South" but all you really get is a governor, and a luxury building.

MattyG said:
Northern India

My first impression is that this is fine. Three dominant powers struggling in possibly-fruitless wars. Very much what the world and India has seen plenty of. It's a fine starting structure.

However, I wonder about the use of all those cores. The Core/Shield is a concept for the European theatre. It encompasses the noton that to some degree your peers (other nations in Europe) accept that you have a prior claim on an area, and see your conquest of it as less aggressive or unacceptable. Hence the halved BB cost. But does this really apply to India? Did anyone really acknowledge that people had 'legitimate claims' on other regions? My feeling is that there ought to be almost no shields for anyone in India.

Then again, was the conquest of provinces considered as being as bad as it was in Europe? Or was it just, y'know, what happened back then? In which case, one could equally put the argument that every nation on the subcontinent should have the full slate of cores on every Indian province.

Thoughts?
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I think the idea of cores and BB is a very European one. Once you get outside of Europe, the main reason for cores is to direct expansion, ruin stab with no CB, get rid of RR, and to make sure you don't ruin relations with everyone else because that’s what happens when you have a 30 BB. The area is not the same as Europe where there is a kind of united Christen community that looks down on land grabs. I mean the Mongols grabbed up large tracks of land in this area and around this time, and they did not get the ire of large part of India. Sure they had revolts vs their rule, but I can handle that with events.

The main reason why I did not just give everyone cores is that I wanted to focus expansion and to keep there from being a slow steady relations decline between allies, as that seems to happen with overlapping cores.

Also, once the main country forms, I am going to use the cores as flags so I can tell what culture is the main culture and have lots of fun with revolts and uprisings in several areas. :D

I definite do have to go over these events again anyways, you know how it is, look back at something a couple weeks later and realize it needs to be rewritten. Some of them are convoluted, or just need the description changed a little.

MattyG said:
Event Effects

A little too strong some times, with too many free troops being handed out. These need to cost ducats every single time.

Also, the concepts in one of the events wherein recruiting stations are set up and the country takes seven years to mobilise for war is very very 19th century Europe, and even long in time for that. I just don't see the concept of the event as being appropriate to the setting at all.

Still, it's all going in the right direction. Please keep up the good work.
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Like I said, I am going to review all the events, and probably rewrite a couple.
 
I look forward to seeing the revised events. I can also help you with phasing, and we will need to discuss final versions for consistency within the mod. Costs for troops, number of DP changes etc.

Great ideas to only build India and Ceylon to about 1550, test that, and then see how it will all interract with the other Aberrations.

Matty
 
It might be a bit late to have these suggestions taken seriously, but what the heck:

* I'd like a stronger Hindu presence in India, whether through more Hindu territory (and less Buddhist) or simply a stronger Hindu state if the "north India=Hindu" thing is final. Buddhism should be a presence in India, but not a big one, IMO--Southeast Asia, part of China, and maybe Central Asia will all have significant Buddhist populations, whereas Hinduism is basically confined to the subcontinent (with a few rapidly disappearing exceptions).

* I think a mid- to late-game chain of events dealing with Hindu influence in Indonesia could be very interesting. This could lead to interesting regional conflicts between India, Southeast Asian Buddhist nations, and maybe a Chinese statelet given certain circumstances--all trying to gain dominance and reverse the Islamicization that historically took place there.

* A unification and subsequent industrialization of Hindustan in the very late game (to avoid balance issues with the formation of a superpower India) would be an interesting brass ring to give players something to reach for, and could have excellent storyline possibilities.
 
For India I would like to see tensions between hinduists and buddhists. A divided subcontinent, yet with a chance of unifacation and becoming an empire. The last moslem state in north is lookingf away from India towards the Afghani mountains, where they could hide from the infidel onslaught.
 
Interregnum mostly change history 200 years before game starts. Budism already lost its importance at that time india. (While it would be intereseting. I surely support budist Lanka which would be try to colonise Indian ocean islands and Madagascar, but also suporting some south india budists.)

While in Champa developments I proposed that Bengal would turn hindu, still sunni Arakan and Champa is interested to support north indian sunni states becouse of their trade interests and Hajj routes. So expect that against hindu ofensive will stand Arakan and Champa, too.

Also remember that Ilkhans ar budist.
 
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