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Hi all,
I'm quite New to CK and after some tries, I'm having a "serious" Game with Apulia with the goal of becoming king of sicily, mauretania, Africa, egypt, jerusalem.
In the meanwhile i've experienced some doubts, let me see if someone Can help:
(playing Deus Vult 2.0)

1) reputation: taking muslim lands stab my reputation with vassals problems. Which is the best way to have reputation diminish fast WITHOUT granting titles to my vassals?

2) demense: i would like to represent an italian merchant kingdom, having paesant like 30% power, burghers 40% and 15% to' clergy and knights. But I haven't see any tax improvement in increasing power of lower classes, despiting what said by the rulebook. Why?

3) demense: I'm king of sicily with 11 provinces of my personal demense (Max 9 but Who cares...) and I've decided I won't have any duke to avoid jeopardize my kingdom. So I assign like 3/4 region to a count ... BUT he pass them over to random courtiers that become my lieges. There's a way to avoid this?

4) Demense: I haven't clearly understood if the numbers of province I Can efficiently hold personally Are determined by unmodified stewardship or unmodified intrigue. Rulebook and tooltip mismatch.

Thx in advance
 
I am also a new player but I believe I can answer some of these. I trust the more experienced commenters to correct me as needed.

1. To improve your reputation faster you need a higher amount of piety.

3. Short of declaring war on your vassals and then reassigning the count titles, I don't think so. However, you should keep in mind that, as a king, having count vassals does not aid your prestige. You should have some dukes as vassals. I'm not sure what you mean about not wanting dukes so as not to jeopardize your kingdom; in my experience my dukes haven't been any more rebellious than my counts, and usually much less so.

4. I'm pretty sure it's intrigue that governs this.
 
For Dukes I don't want:

* a count "cannot" assign land to others (and I was humbling why it happened)
* Just my choiche, I want large demenses that got inherited inside my dynasty
* a Duke Can assign lands to count, and I lose scutage income and "control" of my lands (I want them in my family)

Is Just a "roleplay choice", not a technical one
 
Lord_Winter said:
a count cannot assign land to others
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I admit I don't know what the manual actually says about this, but I have seen it happen several times in my game (BTW I am playing the latest version, DV 2.1 beta). For example, I appoint someone as Count of X and Y; later I see that he has made his son Count of Y while he remains as Count of X.

After a certain point your realm gets so large that it's difficult to keep rigid control over who owns what title to this or that county. As long as a vassal stays loyal I really don't care who he is or where he comes from. I understand that for RP reasons you may want to manage your realm differently, but it will require a lot of micromanagement after a while.
 
1) The fastest way to get rid of a bad reputation is giving up claims. So when a vassal rebels, defeat his army, force-vassalize him and at the same time give up your claims on his titles. Do that every time a vassal rebels and you soon have an honourable reputation again.

2) When you change the powersettings, the loyalty of the 4 different groups also change, which results in lower taxes.

3) An AI-count who goes over his demesne-limit will give away counties to his courtiers. To prevent this, give counties to a bishop, since bishops don't have a demesne-limit.

4) It is your intrigue and your title-level. f.e. a count with an intrigue of 8 can control 2 provinces, a duke 4 and a king 8. The value that decided it was first stewardship, but this was changed in a patch, but the patch never updated the tooltips.
 
1) nice idea

2) how much the power increase of the lower classes incide on the province? Can be worthful?

3) cool! How does it work combined with the Regal Supremacy Law?

4) gotcha. I have to understood how many intrigue points worth a province (f.e. A province for 2 intrigue points). King is x2 I seen


Veldmaarschalk said:
1) The fastest way to get rid of a bad reputation is giving up claims. So when a vassal rebels, defeat his army, force-vassalize him and at the same time give up your claims on his titles. Do that every time a vassal rebels and you soon have an honourable reputation again.

2) When you change the powersettings, the loyalty of the 4 different groups also change, which results in lower taxes.

3) An AI-count who goes over his demesne-limit will give away counties to his courtiers. To prevent this, give counties to a bishop, since bishops don't have a demesne-limit.

4) It is your intrigue and your title-level. f.e. a count with an intrigue of 8 can control 2 provinces, a duke 4 and a king 8. The value that decided it was first stewardship, but this was changed in a patch, but the patch never updated the tooltips.
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Veldmaarschalk said:
So when a vassal rebels, defeat his army, force-vassalize him and at the same time give up your claims on his titles.
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But then what if he rebels again or, worse yet, declares independence? Wouldn't you have to grab his titles again in order to declare war to return his lands to your realm?
 
jwolf said:
But then what if he rebels again or, worse yet, declares independence? Wouldn't you have to grab his titles again in order to declare war to return his lands to your realm?
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No when a vassal of yours declares independance/rebels against you, then you automatically receive a claim on his/your land for free.
 
Lord_Winter said:
1) nice idea

2) how much the power increase of the lower classes incide on the province? Can be worthful?

3) cool! How does it work combined with the Regal Supremacy Law?

4) gotcha. I have to understood how many intrigue points worth a province (f.e. A province for 2 intrigue points). King is x2 I seen
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2) Getting the values the way you want is to much micromanagement for me, I never bother myself with it unless I want the religion or culture to change.

3) Should be no problem, since this law has no impact on who becomes the next bishop (it is a feature that doesn't work, despite what it says in the tooltip). And a nice bonus with this is, that if you give a bishop many titles, then the chances of that bishop becoming Pope are much greater and once he becomes Pope you get all the provinces back for free :)


jwolf said:
But then what if he rebels again or, worse yet, declares independence? Wouldn't you have to grab his titles again in order to declare war to return his lands to your realm?
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No, once a vassal rebels, you get claims on all his titles. So no need to grab them first.
 
Lord_Winter said:
For Dukes I don't want:

* a count "cannot" assign land to others (and I was humbling why it happened)
* Just my choiche, I want large demenses that got inherited inside my dynasty
* a Duke Can assign lands to count, and I lose scutage income and "control" of my lands (I want them in my family)

Is Just a "roleplay choice", not a technical one
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Just my 2cents..(maybe i didnt get your "roleplay choice" reference, but wth)

1. When a count assigns land, that new count will become your vassal...and usually its only sons, so later the County
will be the same size again and only your family, as long as the intrigue value of the count matches the demesne size, well you already know..:cool:..

2. You should play as a muslim, that would probably fit your wish.

3. On scutage, as far as i understand the scutage of the vassal goes into the income of the Duke, from which you get scutage, so you should get some.As long as the Duke takes scutage of course. I FI dont take much scutage anyway when i play a kingdom.


Hopefully this didnt qualify for spamming as it wasnt intended. :blink:
 
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