Inheritance laws tied to individual titles, not characters/realms

[Arizal]

I like this idea, especially the multi-vassalage. I think this would be a must and could done more plausible conflict, and far more "justificate" for the europeans nobles. The two 100 years war started mostly because of a succession crisis and a multi-vassalage (King of England and duke of Normandy first, after that duke of Aquitaine).

 

[.Spartan]

Yes! Please! Both for realism and as an anti-blobbing measure. Also nice would be to have separate economics laws or decisions for separate titles.

No doubt. These ideas should clearly be a core part of the new system for the CK2 experience.

 

[sortulv]

A point to consider: Suppose you have five Count titles and three sons; one of the Count titles is under Gavelkind law. Which son gets that County?

The one with the highest prestige?
With a reduction in the income of the county (as parts of it is owned by his brothers)...
Possibly trigger an event that gives a choice of buying the brothers out (paying a substantial sum of gold) or having the county split up (reduced income - increased noble power), or having this decided by personal combat...

 

[jordarkelf]

I supported this elsewhere. I really hope this goes in -- If Salic Bavaria becomes elective King of Germany, and the next election votes Saxony as King of Germany, Bavaria's titles should go according to salic law.

Historical (late) examples: Hannover becoming separated from the UK because of Queen Victoria, Luxemburg becoming separated from the Netherlands because of Queen Wilhelmina.

 

[Narvi]

The one with the highest prestige?
With a reduction in the income of the county (as parts of it is owned by his brothers)...
Possibly trigger an event that gives a choice of buying the brothers out (paying a substantial sum of gold) or having the county split up (reduced income - increased noble power), or having this decided by personal combat...

Other sons should become barons in said county. As barons are in-game characters that should be possible and would represent the situation nicely.

 

[Captain Frakas]

The code of an estate could look-like this

History/countries/france.txt
#Kingdom of France
title = kingdom
type = fief
line_succession = elective
gender_succession = agnatic
feudal_law = feudal_contract
religion_law = royal_supremacy
#lord =#no lords
vassal = BRI
vassal = BUR
vassal = VAL
vassal = ORL
#(...)
capital = xxx #Paris

#(...)
1223.7.14 = { line_succession = primogeniture }
#(...)
1270.8.25 = { monarch = philip_iii_of_france_1245_1285 }

1286.10.5 = { monarch = philip_iv_of_france_1268_1314 } 

1314.11.29 = { monarch = louis_x_of_france_1289_1316 }

1316.11.15 = { 
		monarch = john_i_of_france_1316_1316
		regent = philip_v_of_france_1292_1322
		 }

1316.11.19 = { 
	gender_succession = semi_salic
	monarch = philip_v_of_france_1292_1322
	 	}

1322.1.3 = { monarch = charles_iv_of_france_1294_1328 }

1328.2.1 = { 
	gender_succession = salic
	monarch = philip_vi_of_france_1293_1350
	 	}
#(...)

History/countries/navarre.txt
#Kingdom of Navarra
title = kingdom
type = fief
line_succession = primogeniture
gender_succession = cognatic
feudal_law = feudal_contract
religion_law = ecclesical_balance
#lord =#no lords
vassal = #county of aragon, etc.
#(...)
capital = xxx #Pampelune

#(...)
1274.7.23 = { monarch = joan_i_of_navarre_1273_1305 }

1305.4.4 = { monarch = louis_x_of_france_1289_1316 }

1316.11.15 = { 
		monarch = john_i_of_france_1316_1316
		regent = philip_v_of_france_1292_1322
		 }

1316.11.19 = { monarch = philip_v_of_france_1292_1322 }

1322.1.3 = { monarch = charles_iv_of_france_1294_1328 }

1328.2.1 = { monarch = joan_ii_of_navarre_1312_1349 }
#(...)

So, the historyfiles link two (or more) estates to one character. This create an automatic personnal union of France and Navarra between 1314 and 1328. Then as the king of france have failed to change the succession law in Navarra, the personnal union end with the sonless death of Charles IV.


character files could look like this

History/dynasties/capet-valois.txt
capet_valois = {
	Prestige = 1000

	character = { 
id = charles_of_valois_1270_1325
name = Charles
gender = male
father = philip_iii_of_france_1245_1285
mother = isabella_of_aragon_1247_1271
#mil = #random if empty
#dip = #random if empty
#adm = #random if empty
#int = #random if empty
add_trait = ambitious
#wealth = #random if empty
#fertility = #random if empty
loyalty = 100
culture = frank
religion = catholic
		
1270.3.12 = { birth = 1270.3.12 }

1290.8.16 = { spouse = margaret_of_naples_1273_1299 }
1299.12.31 = { remove_spouse = margaret_of_naples_1273_1299 }

1302.1.1 = { spouse = catherine_of_courtenay_1274_1307 }
1307.1.1 = { remove_spouse = catherine_of_courtenay_1274_1307 }

1302.1.1 = { spouse = mahaut_of_chatillon_1293_1358 }

1325.12.16 = { death = 1325.12.16 }
}

#Isabelle de Valois (1292-1309) Daughter of Charles de Valois
character = { 
id = isabelle_of_valois_1292_1309
name = Isabelle
gender = female
father = charles_of_valois_1270_1325
mother = margaret_of_naples_1273_1299
#mil = #random if empty
#dip = #random if empty
#adm = #random if empty
#int = #random if empty
#add_trait =
#wealth = #random if empty
#fertility = #random if empty
loyalty = 100
culture = frank
religion = catholic

1292.1.1 = { birth = 1292.1.1 }

1297.1.1 = { spouse = john_iii_of_brittany_1286_1341 }

1309.1.1 = { death = 1309.1.1 }
}

# Philippe VI de Valois (1293-1350)
character = { 
id = philip_vi_of_france_1293_1350
name = Philippe
gender = male
father = charles_of_valois_1270_1325
mother = margaret_of_naples_1273_1299
#mil = #random if empty
#dip = #random if empty
#adm = #random if empty
#int = #random if empty
add_trait = ambitious
#wealth = #random if empty
#fertility = #random if empty
loyalty = 100
culture = frank
religion = catholic

1293.1.1 = { birth = 1293.1.1 }

1313.7.1 = { spouse = joan_of_burgundy_1293_1348 }
1348.12.12 = { remove_spouse = joan_of_burgundy_1293_1348 }


1349.1.19 = { spouse = blanche_of_navarre_1331_1398 }
1398.10.5 = { remove_spouse = blanche_of_navarre_1331_1398 }

1350.8.22 = { death = 1350.8.22 }
#(...)
}

 

[Orinsul]

id suggest that feudal_law and religion_law ought to be found in the County

but Election and all the rest in a seperate Title entry

otherwise both being held by the same person would cause either two to be required to be separate or the titles consolidated

Country entry should be for the country [things like capital, court, taxes, diplomacy, laws etc],
not the titles which have their own limited to succession laws and claim lists