Intending to do a small brigade mod

[Zorbeltuss]

I am intending to do a brigade mod, where specialist troops are in brigades, now i wonder if i should count it as the unit receiving the brigade being better trained (aka same size) or if they should have an attatchement, there are pros and cons with both...

Same size as a normal division
PRO -Can realistically attach to motorized and mechanized without lowering movement or paying extra for a brigade with its own trucks...
CON -Manpower and similar costs will be quite ridiculous...

Same size as other brigade+divisions
PRO -Predictable mechanics for players
CON -Nonrealistic stacking in combat

What seems like the preferable option?

Thanks
/Zorbeltuss

 

[Alex_brunius]

I don't think any of your CONs are applicable.

"Manpower and similar costs will be quite ridiculous..."
I don't agree with because higher manpower costs is how all other special unit divisions are already defined (And Im pretty sure they are same size as other divs). That is manpower in general in AoD is not only representing amount of men, but also quality of men.

"CON -Nonrealistic stacking in combat"
Special forces are often operating behind enemy lines, so they don't take up normal front (and stacking) really. Much like artillery or other brigades don't for their own reasons.

I think both ways are good.

 

[Zorbeltuss]

"Manpower and similar costs will be quite ridiculous..."
I don't agree with because higher manpower costs is how all other special unit divisions are already defined (And Im pretty sure they are same size as other divs). That is manpower in general in AoD is not only representing amount of men, but also quality of men.

Okay, i should have written nonintuitive... but still...

"CON -Nonrealistic stacking in combat"
Special forces are often operating behind enemy lines, so they don't take up normal front (and stacking) really. Much like artillery or other brigades don't for their own reasons.

That wasn't what you said on msn a few days ago... well now it is on the list if anyone wants it there, then thats good...

/Zorbeltuss

 

[Alex_brunius]

That wasn't what you said on msn a few days ago... well now it is on the list if anyone wants it there, then thats good...

Depends a little bit on how you look at them. If were talking about special forces brigades like marines/mountaineers/paratroopers then I guess yes, they should increase stacking and them not doing so is a CON.

However if you talk about special forces like Spetznas or SAS (really elite units). Then I think there is room for them outside the front, operating at night and behind enemy lines without getting in the way off the normal fighting.

Also these very elite units were often used in much smaller then a full standard brigade size (unlike marines or paratroopers that were the same size as normal bde/divs).

When I was talking too you I initially thought you meant the first, rather then the second option.

 

[Zorbeltuss]

Also these very elite units were often used in much smaller then a full standard brigade size (unlike marines or paratroopers that were the same size as normal bde/divs).

Well I still think that it will be bigger than standard for elite units, as 100-500 men extra won't do much compared to a full division... 2000-3000 will... and most attachements were bigger than separate units, iirc...

/Zorbeltuss

 

[Fürstbischof]

Also these very elite units were often used in much smaller then a full standard brigade size (unlike marines or paratroopers that were the same size as normal bde/divs).

Well I still think that it will be bigger than standard for elite units, as 100-500 men extra won't do much compared to a full division... 2000-3000 will... and most attachements were bigger than separate units, iirc...

I'd go with the smaller size, since these forces are really special forces. They shouldn't be handled like normal brigades. Instead, but i don't know if this is atm realizable, they should enhance your chances to get favourable combat events.

However if you talk about special forces like Spetznas or SAS (really elite units). Then I think there is room for them outside the front, operating at night and behind enemy lines without getting in the way off the normal fighting.

The ability to build units like SAS/SBS or the Brandenburger should come with very high costs - just to prevent their mass production. You should also allow their construction only, if certain techs (e.g. paras or maybe air tp) are researched.

Good luck with your mod!

 

[Zorbeltuss]

I'd go with the smaller size, since these forces are really special forces. They shouldn't be handled like normal brigades. Instead, but i don't know if this is atm realizable, they should enhance your chances to get favourable combat events.

If combat events are possible then they will definately be a contributing factor for having them...

The ability to build units like SAS/SBS or the Brandenburger should come with very high costs - just to prevent their mass production. You should also allow their construction only, if certain techs (e.g. paras or maybe air tp) are researched.

I intend between 25 and 50 times the amount per man of infantry (not manpower though).

Thanks...
Zorbeltuss