Interregnum - Cordoba

[unmerged(31994)]

I kinda disagree, I highly doubt the Catalonians are that much more open to Andalusi than north-west Iberia. Who don't become Andalusi.

Besides which, the province provides great potential for conflict between an Occitan-Protestant Savoy and Cordoba.

Well, that was the reason why I disregarded adding Catalonia or the north of Iberia specifically - those regions werent assimilated greatly as say - Zaragoza or Majariqya to be considered Andalusi. Id even say Catalonia's unique culture - a mix of both Moorish and Provencial tastes makes it somewhat resistant - like the basques.

By the way, could we change 'iberian' into 'hispanic' ?I did that in my game and found it more romantic o

 

[MattyG]

Well, that was the reason why I disregarded adding Catalonia or the north of Iberia specifically - those regions werent assimilated greatly as say - Zaragoza or Majariqya to be considered Andalusi. Id even say Catalonia's unique culture - a mix of both Moorish and Provencial tastes makes it somewhat resistant - like the basques.

By the way, could we change 'iberian' into 'hispanic' ?I did that in my game and found it more romantic o

A good idea. I think that it could be predicated on the other Iberian provinces having already undergone the culture change.

I am fine with Hispanic, but I'm happy with Iberian too. Let's see what other's think.

 

[unmerged(33577)]

A good idea. I think that it could be predicated on the other Iberian provinces having already undergone the culture change.

I am fine with Hispanic, but I'm happy with Iberian too. Let's see what other's think.

Iberia was the name of the poeple who lives in the peninsule during antic Greece (the name was given by the greeks), The name hispania came later with the roman empire.

Hispania was more the name of a roman province than the name of the people who live in

So... i prefer Iberian

 

[unmerged(55521)]

Just call them latinos

And is portugalians hispanic, too?

BTW - Cordoba and "conversion by sword" is not two associations which came to my mind at first...

 

[yourworstnightm]

Well, iberian isn't bad. As much an anachronistic statement as hispanic. To be honest with no spanish unification and the strength of islam in the south I would guess the hispanic peoples had little in common. Considered themselves as galicians, portuguese, asturians, leonese, castilians, aragonese etc... (and the catalans with cultural ties to the occitans, and the of course the basque). I would say both iberian and hispanic are kind of ok (I like Iberian better, I do not think many christians in the aberrated world would consider themselves hispanic).

 

[Onedreamer]

I think the idea is sound and we can accommodate both views. Catalonia can become Andalusi culture, but only if there is no Occitan state and only after 1600.

How's that?

well, the occitan culture still exists nowadays and it extends from Piedmont all the way to Portugal. And there isn't an occitan state

 

[MattyG]

well, the occitan culture still exists nowadays and it extends from Piedmont all the way to Portugal. And there isn't an occitan state

Nor did Cordoba capture all of Spain and continue to rule until the 1800s.

So, different histories bring different results.

Plus, culture in Interregnum (and, really, even vanilla) does not mean solely language. Nor is it necessarily an indication of the majority of a population. In this period, the culture of a province is typically the culture of the ruling elites. The extension of Andalusi culture thoughout Iberia does not indicate that everyone is now speaking Arabic, but that the ruling elites do, are muslim, and that the populace has largely come to accept the rule of Cordoba.

Which is why we would have events for the changing-back of that culture to Occitan should there be a reconquista.

 

[Culise]

I actually told you about that

Alter it

However,arabic culture will always remain in Cordoba - It's culturally immersed in arabic and anybody who says otherwise is simply ignorant

Thread necromancy most vile! I was curious, after all, why an event suggesting unity of Moroccan and Cordoban nobility to the degree that they are one nation in permanent personal union didn't give you cultures to make Morocco easier to rule. This is about all you said on it last time, which happened to be one...two months ago now, basically only addressing the "Cordoba has Arabic culture" concern - I am also a little curious why you can't simply call Andalusi culture a unique synthesis with healthy helpings of both Arabic and Iberian (as I was under the seemingly-mistaken impression it was) and say that after Cordoba, for a completely random example, decides to break away from the East by embracing Mutazelite teachings, the true Arabs of Egypt and the Near East won't consider Cordoban imams close enough to warrant an easy 50% conversion chance and absolutely no cultural problems at all...but apparently that's ignorance, so I won't bring that up.

*Ahem* So, at any rate, why exactly doesn't the Moroccan-Andalusian unification give Andalusia the Maghrebi culture? I know I can simply change it in my own version, but that doesn't answer the motivation behind refusing this in the official Interregnum.

 

[MattyG]

Fair question.


Calipah?

 

[unmerged(31994)]

*Ahem* So, at any rate, why exactly doesn't the Moroccan-Andalusian unification give Andalusia the Maghrebi culture? I know I can simply change it in my own version, but that doesn't answer the motivation behind refusing this in the official Interregnum.

Maghrebi is at any point the local culture dominant in Morocco - which had developed free of the Real World Moorish exodus, thusly, more influenced by berber culture and a mix of Saharan/Arabic dialects.

Al-Andalus was reknowned for it's elite's Arabic profeciancy and Arabic represents the extremly ancient class of aristocrats that first came to al-Andalus.

And why are u complaining?U can gain maghrebi through the Moroccan dynasty sequence

 

[Culise]

Oh, I entirely missed that you replied. And, you know, I'm actually kinda embarrassed now, since that was why I was complaining - I thought you didn't get the culture. Seems I was under the impression that you got the culture once you actually annexed Morocco by event and got the cores, and it turns out you get it at the first dynasty split between Nasrid and Yahwar. Quite embarrassing. >_<

 

[MattyG]

Oh, I entirely missed that you replied. And, you know, I'm actually kinda embarrassed now, since that was why I was complaining - I thought you didn't get the culture. Seems I was under the impression that you got the culture once you actually annexed Morocco by event and got the cores, and it turns out you get it at the first dynasty split between Nasrid and Yahwar. Quite embarrassing. >_<

It's big of you to reply like that. One rarely gets a response from a poster when they have been wrong about something or complained out of place. It takes a big man to admit he's wrong.

 

[orimazd]

Look what I found in the history forum.

Yah 'Spanish cities' is a bit vague... uhh... but here's a short list of important ones of theb top of my head (from wiki ):

Seville: أشبيليّة ʼIšbīliyyah
Granada: غرناطة al-Ġarnāda
Cadiz: قادس al-Qādis
Gibraltar: جبل الطارق Jabal aţ-Ţāriq
Córdoba: قرطبه Qurṭubah
Almería: al-Meraya
Murcia: مرسية Medinat Mursiya
Toledo: طليطلة Ṭulayṭulah
Madrid: المجريط al-Majrīṭ

 

[MattyG]

Look what I found in the history forum.

Thaks,

Updated the town names. Awesome.