Is a converter an impossibility?

[Faeelin]

As we all know, there's been a lot of a discussion about a converter to EU2. However, i suspect that itm ay well prove impossible.

Let's say you are the Guiscards. You've become Kings of France, the Latin Empire, and, oh, Portugal. Now, the game can either convert with royal marriages, or it can make it all one superstate. How will the game tell the difference?

 

[Galleblære]

Well, it is possible, that is for sure. But I guess we will probably need a EU2 patch to make the transition of unhistoric and extinct nations smoother. IE, you could be Leon in the 1419 campaign in EU2, along with it's shields, an unhistoric monarch list etc.

Also, I would like to see the possibility of seeing culture and religious changes carried over to EU2. As Byzantium, I would turn back the turks, and reclaim North africa. At the end of CK, all of north africa would be christian, along with the holy lands. Maybe the converter would let most of little-asia be greek/armeinian cultured instead of turkish, and the islam in africa removed.

 

[unmerged(5367)]

Differnce being in the loyalty of vassals (I Guess).. like in EU2, below +50 RM, between +50 and +180 vassal, and +180 and higher One megaempire.

Numbers being invented, but idea should come thru.

 

[unmerged(6160)]

Originally posted by The camel
Differnce being in the loyalty of vassals (I Guess).. like in EU2, below +50 RM, between +50 and +180 vassal, and +180 and higher One megaempire.

Numbers being invented, but idea should come thru.

I would change the numbers just a bit:

-50-50: RM

50-185: Alliance and RM

185-200: Alliance, Vassel, RM?(Can't remember if its possible)

 

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Galleblære
I would like to see the possibility of seeing culture and religious changes carried over to EU2. As Byzantium, I would turn back the turks, and reclaim North africa. At the end of CK, all of north africa would be christian, along with the holy lands. Maybe the converter would let most of little-asia be greek/armeinian cultured instead of turkish, and the islam in africa removed.

But how will the game know what cultures to place where? We will have much less cultures in CK than in EU2. Let's say greek is a culture, and that Byzantium has it: If you are going to expell the turks, the new culture will then most problable be greek. Then, at the end of the GC in CK, there might be only greek culture in Anatolia and the surroundings. If the converter don't split the culture greek into several culture groups, I think it would be weird.

On the other hand, if the converter is to split the culture into several different cultures, how will it determine where they are going to be placed?(think of one armenian here, two greek there, and then one armenian...) And what about state cultures? Will all the new cultures be your state cultures, or only some of them?

 

[Galleblære]

I know, it will probably be very hard to deceide on that. But it could work rather simply as well. If France has expanded unhistorically into the german region, some of those provinces could get a culture change to french. Those provinces in little-asia could ble flagged to turn to greek or armanian, certain provinces in north africa perhaps.

 

[unmerged(16328)]

Its gonna need some seriously advanced patch which can take CK events into consideration when distributing the EU cultures. I don't think such a patch is even possible...
This converter should allow a lot of player input for some things such as unhistoric monarch tables and whatnot. Th

 

[Galleblære]

As I understand it, the converter converts the savegame from CK into a campaign file for EU2, or perhaps an EU2 savegame. In either case, it is a piece of cake to change cultures around. And as for extinct cultures, That could perhaps be more of a problem.

What concerns me the most though is:
-Handeling of nationl provinces, cultures, shields, monarchs for unhistoric nations.
-Will stopping islam advances into north africa change the religion/cultural image of africa in EU2?

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Galleblære
-Will stopping islam advances into north africa change the religion/cultural image of africa in EU2?

Islam conquered North Africa in the 7th and 8th century. A little late for stopping that in CK...

 

[hjarg]

Originally posted by Havard
Islam conquered North Africa in the 7th and 8th century. A little late for stopping that in CK...

Crusade!!! Crusade!!! Let's bring these heathens back to their true faith!
There is nothing you can't accomplish when you have an army of brave knights at your disposal, right?

 

[Galleblære]

Originally posted by Havard
Islam conquered North Africa in the 7th and 8th century. A little late for stopping that in CK...

I thought this game was called Crusader Kings! And you call yourself a crusading moderator...tsk tsk tsk.. I don't think the local population had completly turned arabic by then, had they?

 

[viper37]

given the complexity of the process, and given that EU2 keeps changing and CK isn't finished, I'd put my vote for a converter in CK patch 1.01 and EU2 1.08.

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Galleblære
I thought this game was called Crusader Kings! And you call yourself a crusading moderator...tsk tsk tsk.. I don't think the local population had completly turned arabic by then, had they?

By 1066? Pretty much, yes...

My point was: yoy can of course try whatever you want to crusader and convert Northern Africa, but it still won't change west/sub-saharan Africa when it comes to a transfer to EU2 - The Malis will still be muslim (as they were in 1066)...

 

[Nikolai]

I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that the Malis would think of converting if they saw that islam was loosing? BTW, for how long had they been muslims? If they hadn't been that for too long, there would be easier for them to convert I guess.

 

[Galleblære]

Well, even if they are pipedreams, it is fun to speculate!

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Nikolai
I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that the Malis would think of converting if they saw that islam was loosing?

...or they might do like the Almohads and Almoravids did: Strike back!

BTW, for how long had they been muslims? If they hadn't been that for too long, there would be easier for them to convert I guess.

I think they converted in the 9th century/very early 10th...

 

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by Havard
Islam conquered North Africa in the 7th and 8th century. A little late for stopping that in CK...

What now, the reconquista can't cross the straits?

 

[Garbon]

Originally posted by Nikolai
I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that the Malis would think of converting if they saw that islam was loosing? BTW, for how long had they been muslims? If they hadn't been that for too long, there would be easier for them to convert I guess.

Actually they were just barely muslim (they still held a lot of their traditional beliefs, and when they were trounced by Songhai, they went back to their traditional beliefs. From the time of its founding 1230ish, Mali had been muslim. So all in all, since the religious setup we have is general, its okay that nothing changes in sub-saharan Africa.

 

[CCR_of_the_Code]

This is starting to sound like my topic, but anyway, do you really think that you would have Indonesian Muslims if Baghdad had fallin in 1103 and Mecca in 1109?

 

[unmerged(502)]

Originally posted by CCR_of_the_Code
This is starting to sound like my topic, but anyway, do you really think that you would have Indonesian Muslims if Baghdad had fallin in 1103 and Mecca in 1109?

I think that the spread of Islam was happening regardless of the military might of the Caliphate by that time. By the 11th century Islam was already a world religion.