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.... can the Portugese army not fight it's way out of a wet paper bag, unless it's a spanish one....

I'm playing the GC as Portugal, things are goin' along fine.. building a huge network of trade posts. I roll on into the 1540's with monopolies in Venice, Tago, Andalusia, and Flanders. Spain gets cranky and hits me with a trade embargo, I lose 2 markets. Time to fight back.. I pour money into troops and a year later begin swarming over the Spanish borders. Send a call to the allies so they can run some interference for me and together we pummel Spain into submission.

Spain surrenders Andalusia to me and I collect another province for one of my allies (all I wanted, I'm not barbaric or greedy). I begin shipping troops to the colonial armies... Andalusia revolts... I swing an army around to smash it. Not quite enough, still just over a thousand rebels, next closest army is a conquistadors force with 12000 infantry, 3000 horse and 30 cannons, it's over in seconds... my army that had just sacked several spanish provinces is sent running, crying like babies... collect reinforcements, wait for morale to come back up... again it's a rout of my troops.... 4 more overwhelming assaults before I finally get control back.

10 years later and I'm still having trouble, (and wishing there was a genocide button) I need an overwhelming force to deal with anything that isn't Spanish. I've even had troops run for the hills AFTER they won the battle......

(and I'm only on "normal")
 
I've been having similar problems as austria in my conquered papal and french lands. The organized armies of europe cringe at the very sight of my mighty armies, but a few farmers with pitchforks can send then home with their tails between their legs. i once had 5k inf rebels defeat a 55k army with strong cavalry and artillery support, TWICE IN A ROW. the only thing i can tell you is to keep your military funding high, as it makes a big difference. eventually after like 30 years or so they stop revolting and become assimilated so you dont have to worry about it anymore.
 
One of the things I can suggest is not to use your conquistador army in europe. They always loose, against indians and rest of the world they are unbeateble, but if you fight europeans say good-bye to your troops.

Notice that rebels only have infatry, therefore they will have advantage in fire phase. One thing I do is put and army that has at least 15k cavalry in a newly conquered province.
 
next closest army is a conquistadors force

AAAARRRGHH !!

A conquistador in Europe has 0 fire & 0 shock power.
That is even worse the not having a leader at all.
NEVER use a Conq in Europe ...

I've even had troops run for the hills AFTER they won the battle......

If the rebels hold the fortress and all you have is a little crap force, you will retreat out of the province as soon as the battle is over (check my FAQ for values). Send in more troops and you won't retreat after battle.
 
heh, the Conquistador was originally only visiting, I accidentally moved him into the war, but he had beaten two slightly smaller Spanish armies and had captured the fortress in Andalusia... since I'm new at this and had never looked at the ratings in Europe.... I'll find the FAQ

As for the post battle cowards, they were relieving a beseiged city, the fortress was still mine, although it was a knock down drag'em out fight with both armies nearly being destroyed..

Guess I'm trying to see how a small force of ill-trained rebel scum (mostly) can beat a numerically larger force of trained soldiers (with any type of leader from Colonels and up) on an open field of battle.

... and those Morrocans are going to pay dearly for the 50,000 casualties they handed me recently....
:eek:
 
Originally posted by Blakmoor
As for the post battle cowards, they were relieving a beseiged city, the fortress was still mine, although it was a knock down drag'em out fight with both armies nearly being destroyed..

Then what probably happend was, you lost the combat and retreated. But you left the rebels so weak they could not cover the fortress and (since rebels never retreat) they were eliminated (ie you lost the battle but won the war =).
 
side question here

Since Andalusa is Muslim would that make the revolters muslim , therefore they get better morale? I wouldn't think so , but I gotta ask.
 
I've had much trouble with Portugal's armed forces. Outside of Europe they do quite well, but they simply can't seem to fight in Europe... mine can't anyways. They get wooped by rebels, by Spaniards, by Genoa and by France. I'd probably survive longer in fights against Europeans if I got a bunch of priests praying for victory rather than spend money on infantry and cavalry.;)
 
One thing that's worked well for me in newly conquered provinces:
Cavalry...I have found a 2 to 1 ratio of inf/cav works very well against rebels. I usually leave a 10/5/0 force in the province and always win against rebels - replace the losses (which tend to be minimal) right away.

If you are Portugal and you've just taken Morocco (or any other small Islamic Nation) send a settler immedialty to any Muslim province with population under 5k!! They may convert to Catholic and revolt risk goes to 0% :D
 
Originally posted by Habsburg
If you are Portugal and you've just taken Morocco (or any other small Islamic Nation) send a settler immedialty to any Muslim province with population under 5k!! They may convert to Catholic and revolt risk goes to 0% :D

Or even better, adjust that tolerance slider so your new territory doesn't revolt until your colonist get there (and they are lost).