... addresses only the new inf/cav/art balance problem? This shouldn´t take too long to do, I guess (!??)
Regards, Hartmann
Regards, Hartmann
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Thanx. And, umm, ... don´t get into a depressive mood because of our constant whining. Most of us really appreciate Your efforts to get this already great game perfect!
Hartmann
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Hartmann
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yes, thanks a lot . johan 
, you and the paradox team give us players the best support i have ever seen for any game!!!
, you and the paradox team give us players the best support i have ever seen for any game!!!
Agree with Hartman. In terms of major gameplay bugs, this game has virtually none. The same cannot be said for many other games on the market today.
Your support of this game is exemplary - pure and simple.
Your support of this game is exemplary - pure and simple.
Yes, thanks Johan and the Paradox crew, and beta testers for your diligent hard work and efforts.
Hartmann. Thank you to yourself and others who have compiled lists and helped organize things to make the bug fixes easier.
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Thousand thanx to You, Johan! And a special thanx for addressing the 'merchant dispatch bug'
Hartmann
And a special thanx for addressing the 'merchant dispatch bug' Hartmann
Just joining my greetings: the game rocks, bugs are unavoidable but are for the most part very minor in EU. Playtesters made as usual a job for free or almost. In hundred hours of play, EU crashed only a couple of times.
I just hope the game will sell sufficiently well to get at least an add-on improving some aspects ( diplomaty and sort of random in monarch list mostly).
Very good work.
I just hope the game will sell sufficiently well to get at least an add-on improving some aspects ( diplomaty and sort of random in monarch list mostly).
Very good work.
All these patches make me feel like a beta tester rather than like a customer who bought a full-price game gone gold.
But frankly, I prefer this constant tinkering and I like the feeling. Constant surprises, small changes and improvements make it so much more alive. Makes you feel part of it.
As for the less deeply involved customers or observers, I do however sense they might mainly retain that the game must be seriously flawed when so many patches are released in so short a period.
The reputation of EU as a reliable product may suffer as a consequence.
Most people buy a game and expect it to work out of the box (that's EU 1.00, some 7 or 8 patches ago). Most people don't visit forums on a regular basis. Most people are not by definition unrelenting admirers. If they were, it would mean the game didn't really sell to a broad enough public.
Paradox can't disappoint me. I am very pleased with what they set out to do with EU, and they give the best possible support after release.
But I'm not the market. I'm not even representative for the market.
So I hope for the sake of the game that patching may soon stop and that all future releases, in English and other languages, may be stable and complete as they ship.
But frankly, I prefer this constant tinkering and I like the feeling. Constant surprises, small changes and improvements make it so much more alive. Makes you feel part of it.
As for the less deeply involved customers or observers, I do however sense they might mainly retain that the game must be seriously flawed when so many patches are released in so short a period.
The reputation of EU as a reliable product may suffer as a consequence.
Most people buy a game and expect it to work out of the box (that's EU 1.00, some 7 or 8 patches ago). Most people don't visit forums on a regular basis. Most people are not by definition unrelenting admirers. If they were, it would mean the game didn't really sell to a broad enough public.
Paradox can't disappoint me. I am very pleased with what they set out to do with EU, and they give the best possible support after release.
But I'm not the market. I'm not even representative for the market.
So I hope for the sake of the game that patching may soon stop and that all future releases, in English and other languages, may be stable and complete as they ship.
First, thanks again, Johan. As my ex-brother-in-law would have put it, 'You are a stud' (believe me, that was his way of giving a compliment).
Chyron0, you make some very good points. Fortunately, these tend to be more tweaks in the AI, at least, so people who are not as involved in it hopefully do not consider these to have been 'bugs' or problems in the normal sense. For most of us, the game is stable and after the first couple of patches, could be considered more in the mode of refinements ... ?
Chyron0, you make some very good points. Fortunately, these tend to be more tweaks in the AI, at least, so people who are not as involved in it hopefully do not consider these to have been 'bugs' or problems in the normal sense. For most of us, the game is stable and after the first couple of patches, could be considered more in the mode of refinements ... ?
Chyron - It seems to me most games go into production with major bugs, so I think that the time when consumers expected games of any complexity to work right out of the box is long past.
A pity, because I think this ought to be something that one should be able to expect (and yes - I am a programmer, so I know how difficult this is to achieve).
At least for EU, the 'bugs' being fixed generally seem quite minor. I was just looking at the changes in the latest patch for Sea Dogs (produced by another small game development company) recently - if EU had bugs like that game...
I don't think there are many games that are not patched at least 3 times (and that is probably only because most companies allow at least 2 or 3 months to pass between each patch whereas Paradox fix things very quickly - hooray!).
/Strategy
A pity, because I think this ought to be something that one should be able to expect (and yes - I am a programmer, so I know how difficult this is to achieve).
At least for EU, the 'bugs' being fixed generally seem quite minor. I was just looking at the changes in the latest patch for Sea Dogs (produced by another small game development company) recently - if EU had bugs like that game...
I don't think there are many games that are not patched at least 3 times (and that is probably only because most companies allow at least 2 or 3 months to pass between each patch whereas Paradox fix things very quickly - hooray!).
/Strategy
Concerning the bugs:
Also remember that the patches only has come to the relatively small German verion of the game. The big international UK & US versions haven't even been sent to the press yet.
The German & to some extent the just released Swedish version could be considered to be semi beta trial runs before the big launch.
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Also remember that the patches only has come to the relatively small German verion of the game. The big international UK & US versions haven't even been sent to the press yet.
The German & to some extent the just released Swedish version could be considered to be semi beta trial runs before the big launch.
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To me the most important thing is to have all bugs fixed. I don`t care if it takes 10 or 20 patches. But there is still at least one mayor bug left. AI countries do nothing about runaway inflation. In the process they cripple their economy. After 100 years of playing I noticed less and less activity in foreign provinces.
To add something to my last statement.
I find it a perfect sales policy to improve a game with patches to make it as good as possible. Even if improvement lasts a little bit longer.
I find it a perfect sales policy to improve a game with patches to make it as good as possible. Even if improvement lasts a little bit longer.
HEHEHEHAHAHAHHA LOL ROIFL!!!!
Um I second that maybe on mars but not on planet earth...
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Originally posted by Chyron0:
Most people buy a game and expect it to work out of the box.
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HAHAHA! On what planet?
Oh and in closing, because WE, the gaming public have been sold alleged finished products so often by so many for so long we do NOT delude ourselves in believing that a game out of the box will work perfectly, the last titles I bought, Quake 3, Baldurs gate 2 and Shogun all needed patches, however shogun was a 99% complete gem when it was released, definatly a very polished product and kudos to that company for thier good work. So my point is, LOL were have you been
Faruk
Um I second that
maybe on mars but not on planet earth...quote:
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Originally posted by Chyron0:
Most people buy a game and expect it to work out of the box.
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HAHAHA! On what planet?
Oh and in closing, because WE, the gaming public have been sold alleged finished products so often by so many for so long
we do NOT delude ourselves in believing that a game out of the box will work perfectly, the last titles I bought, Quake 3, Baldurs gate 2 and Shogun all needed patches, however shogun was a 99% complete gem when it was released, definatly a very polished product and kudos to that company for thier good work. So my point is, LOL were have you been Faruk
'You must be joking.'
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Why ?
Do you seriously think that the German language version will outsell the English one?
Even though these type of games a relatively popular in Germany there are still about a billion more people in the world speaking English then German.
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Why ?
Do you seriously think that the German language version will outsell the English one?
Even though these type of games a relatively popular in Germany there are still about a billion more people in the world speaking English then German.
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/ Stefan Huszics