June 3 - Byzantine emperor

[cjo]

So, in my latest game, the Byzantine empire fell to the Muslims. As Nubia, I took it upon myself to recreate the title of Empire of Byzantium. However, when I did so, I didn't get the x2 demense multiplier, and Nubia was still my primary title.

I'm not sure if these qualify as bugs, but I would think that being Emperor of Byzantium would be 'higher' than any other King title, so that should automatically become your primary title. At the very least, there should be some way to get the x2 multiplier on demense limit if you hold the title of Emperor of Byzantium even if it's not your primary title.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Working As Designed. You only get Byzantine bonuses if it's your primary title and it's king level title like Nubia, so it shouldn't override your previous one.

 

[yahoo]

That means that if you want to became Emperor you must give king of sth title to sb, yeah? Or change it in savegame file?

 

[lenny]

That means that if you want to became Emperor you must give king of sth title to sb, yeah? Or change it in savegame file?

You need to edit the save game file, as you cannot give away your primary title.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

As I believe he wants to become Emperor of Byzantium, he can give the title Emperor of Byzantium to his first heir then save the game, reload the game as your heir (so reload as Emperor of Byzantium) then kill the king of Nubia or wait till he dies naturally.

This is the easiest way to do it.

And maybe something that should be in the FAQ since the question pops up about once or twice a month.

How the change your primary title ?

 

[lenny]

As I believe he wants to become Emperor of Byzantium, he can give the title Emperor of Byzantium to his first heir then save the game, reload the game as your heir (so reload as Emperor of Byzantium) then kill the king of Nubia or wait till he dies naturally.

This is the easiest way to do it.

And maybe something that should be in the FAQ since the question pops up about once or twice a month.

How the change your primary title ?

What about a "how to change your main title through save game editing"?

Example: Change Nubia to Byzantine:

• Backup your save game file!!!
• Open the file with a text editor, e.g. notepad.
• Search for your main title tag, e.g. NUBI for Nubia; the first hit should look like this:
  

   NUBI = { 
          gender = male 
          type = kingdom 
          dna = "22804807178550" 
          title = { NUBI BYZA

• Change this to
  

   BYZA = { 
          gender = male 
          type = kingdom 
          dna = "22804807178550" 
          title = { BYZA NUBI

• Go to the end of the file and search upwards for "tag = NUBI" until you find the title entry looking like this:
  

  title = { 
      tag = NUBI
      tier = kingdom 
      liege = ---- 
      holder = { character = { type = 10 id = 20809 } startdate = { year = 1066 month = january day = 0 } } 
      }

  Put something, e.g. a "#" infront of NUBI, so the second line reads "tag = #NUBI".
• Search and replace all "tag = NUBI" with "tag = BYZA".
• Search and replace all "liege = NUBI" with "liege = BYZA". (This is not really necessary, but it saves some hazzle if you ever decide to part with your former main title.)
• Search replace "tag = #NUBI" with "tag = NUBI".
• Save the file and load your game as the Byzantine Emperor.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Even better

 

[Kaelic]

Doesn't anyone else think it is kind of stupid that you cannot turn into the Empire if you were once a king? Pretty confident if a King took it upon himself to TAKE OVER the title of EMPEROR he would decide to make himself so. Can this not be added via event of some kind?

 

[unmerged(21937)]

No king ever took over Byzantium, so we can't know.

And no, it can't be added with events.

 

[binTravkin]

Actually there are 3 levels of royal hierarchy: cound, duke and king.
If there were the 4th - emperor, which would be acheivable only on certain (hard) circumstances, say 3+ king titles held (historically HRE was "emperor" and he held Italy, Burgundy and Germany + later Bohemia) and some real amount of money, it'd be really nice.

But Im afraid, unless the function controlling hierarchy is a recursive one which can be given level (hierarchy) depth as a parameter, it's pretty hard to code it.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

There won't be a fourth tier in CK. In CK2 maybe.

 

[Akka le Vil]

Doesn't anyone else think it is kind of stupid that you cannot turn into the Empire if you were once a king? Pretty confident if a King took it upon himself to TAKE OVER the title of EMPEROR he would decide to make himself so. Can this not be added via event of some kind?

Well, in some ways, it makes sense.

The byzantine special bonuses come from the specific byzantine culture, dedication to a particular empire. Just taking over the provinces of Byzantium won't make you "byzantine" (like the Ottomans, who conquered Byzantium, but weren't of the same culture, and simply replaced the Byzantines).
While if you rise to the Empire as a simple Duke, it can be rationalized that you tried to restore the Empire all along, and are then the heir of the Empire and the true Byzantine emperor (I know it's far-stretched if you are anything but a Byzantine duke, but on the other hand, the chances of taking Byzantium before any other kingdom as a far-away duke are quite slim, so...).