Kurdistan

[Soor]

the cradle of civilization has been released and there is ton of fun in playing in the middle east HOWEVER, the Kurdish nations and Kurdish people not had a significant change except for adding a few different cores and two very small nations which all of them have different cores and there is no mission to create Kurdistan as a whole nation. most of the "Kurdish Ideas" has nothing to do with Kurdish people. they are tending to be more diplomatic ideas. but if we look at the history of Kurdistan, the only thing that Kurdish people are not good at is diplomacy and politics. yes they are a very tolerated people toward religion however they are warriors.

they have been fighting for god knows how long and they have always been outnumbered but still hold their ground. Alexander just did not circled the mountains and did not fought them, the Moslem couldn't conquer them and they suffered great losses in Kurdistan region and even the Mongols could not fight them in the mountains. and some of the Turkish states are Kurdish and you just have to look at the Kurdish population in the middle east. Also Ardalan is not the name of that state, it is Kurdistan Ardalan was just the ruling dynasty.

I believe that there should be a mission to create a whole Kurdistan and the regions with Kurdish culture shod have a core belonging to the Kurdistan nation and the ideas for the Kurdish nation should be military ideas more like Prussian ideas. pleas consider this points and if it is possible please make this changes in the next update.

 

[Zohtun]

When was Kurdistan a nation? Does it not need an actual nation to become a tag?

Forgive my ignorance, but I was under the impression that the Kurds never really -had- their own nation, just their lands kept changing overlords due to their unfortunate position of "In the middle of several giants".

 

[Fanstar1]

When was Kurdistan a nation? Does it not need an actual nation to become a tag?

Forgive my ignorance, but I was under the impression that the Kurds never really -had- their own nation, just their lands kept changing overlords due to their unfortunate position of "In the middle of several giants".

Yeah, there has never been 1 united "Kurdistan".

 

[Soor]

When was Kurdistan a nation? Does it not need an actual nation to become a tag?

Forgive my ignorance, but I was under the impression that the Kurds never really -had- their own nation, just their lands kept changing overlords due to their unfortunate position of "In the middle of several giants".

yes you are correct. however the Kurds are the descendants of the Medes who were one of the first empires (i will attach the Wikipedia address for you but its not very good to be honest, it will just give you a general idea)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes

after Saladin there was not a great leader who could have formed it again, and even Saladin was not fighting for the Kurds but rather for Islam since he was a devoted man. there were some miner revolutionaries here and there but not a great one who could have unite all of Kurdistan. after world war first the Kurds were promised to be given their own country after only one year when the things settle down but it is almost 100 years later and yet the promise is not fulfilled. furthermore they formed are one of the first republics in middle east...... and yes.... it was crushed by Persians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Mahabad


regarding the game, a lot of the different cultures in the game have been expand and they can form different types of government and nations even restore their Empire and cradle of civilization should have included the Median or the Achaemenid Empire to be restored, and the Kurdish regions should have had a same core while they have so many different countries and yet none of them will ever form in the game.

 

[Trin Tragula]

When was Kurdistan a nation? Does it not need an actual nation to become a tag?

Forgive my ignorance, but I was under the impression that the Kurds never really -had- their own nation, just their lands kept changing overlords due to their unfortunate position of "In the middle of several giants".

There was plenty of small Kurdish states in the eu timeline that were at times independent but mostly loyal to one overlord or another. A great number of Kurdish emirates switching sides is part of the reason the Ottoman can so quickly expand east into nominally Safavid lands in their early conflicts.
We have a few of these as playable countries, Bitlis, Ardalan, Hisn Kayfa (the map level of detail does not really allow for all that existed to be included however).
No United Kurdistan existed though and having separatists forming it due to pre existing cores would be wildly out of the era.
Still the geographic region was often referred to as Kurdistan (ie the lands were the Kurds live) throughout the era, so a unification tag would not be entirely out there. It would be a pretty small state though, as far as eu unifications go, so I’m not going to make any promises about that.

Achaemenid Persia is wildly out of the timeline however, and would be too old for crusader kings or even for that matter our earliest timeline game EU:Rome.

 

[Canute VII]

Let's be open to some alternate history here A common kurdish culture deserves a unified Kurdistan tag, even if in reality they didn't manage to form it.

With the advent of "nationalism" kurdistan cores could be added, similar to how greek cores appear. Wouldn't that be a nice compromise?

 

[PurpulaPhoenixum53]

With the advent of "nationalism" kurdistan cores could be added, similar to how greek cores appear. Wouldn't that be a nice compromise?

Yes. But doesn't this open the solution for other nationalist groups to get nation cores of their own. FYI - Totally believe that this should be the solution for all nationalist movements in the game

 

[withche.07]

By the way Kurdistan region or in other words Eastern Anatolia was nicely developed in Cradle of Civilization, there were still forgotten things in my opinion at least be revisited.

Mamuret-ül-Aziz: (into 3 sandjaks)
-Harput-Mezire (center)
-Malatya
-Dersim

Erzincan should be smaller, and there should be Mamuret-ül-Aziz to south of it (Elazığ in modern Turkey)
It could be named Harput too.

I think thay Divriği province is bit wrong and not historical, its better to represent Dersim sanjak as province there with Shia religion. (according to maps)

Elaziz map:

Sivas map:

And
Artuqid core should be added to Mardin as well.

 

[Soor]

There was plenty of small Kurdish states in the eu timeline that were at times independent but mostly loyal to one overlord or another. A great number of Kurdish emirates switching sides is part of the reason the Ottoman can so quickly expand east into nominally Safavid lands in their early conflicts.
We have a few of these as playable countries, Bitlis, Ardalan, Hisn Kayfa (the map level of detail does not really allow for all that existed to be included however).
No United Kurdistan existed though and having separatists forming it due to pre existing cores would be wildly out of the era.
Still the geographic region was often referred to as Kurdistan (ie the lands were the Kurds live) throughout the era, so a unification tag would not be entirely out there. It would be a pretty small state though, as far as eu unifications go, so I’m not going to make any promises about that.

Achaemenid Persia is wildly out of the timeline however, and would be too old for crusader kings or even for that matter our earliest timeline game EU:Rome.

thank you very much for your time to reply this, but if you could just consider to add a Mission to be able to unify Kurdistan as this small nation states would be awesome. also please check into the ideas. it dose not reflect the Kurdish warrior society. thank you again very much.

 

[Meshed Gear]

I'd support being able to form Kurdistan, it seems to me it would be similar to forming Ireland before all the additions, or Romania. A concrete, logical goal, but when you achieve it there are still large obstacles in the surrounding countries to deal with.

 

[Geodynamis]

Yes. But doesn't this open the solution for other nationalist groups to get nation cores of their own. FYI - Totally believe that this should be the solution for all nationalist movements in the game

There's others in the area this would benefit, like Egypt and Turkey.