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Alexandru H.

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The later dinasties will be playable? I understand that there will be different scenarios, yet in the GC will new families (historical ones, at least) appear?

*Edit* It seems that during the question I have forgotten quite a bit of English... Sorry about that :(
 
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Originally posted by Alexandru H.
The later dinasties will be playable? I understand that there will be different scenarios, yet in the GC will new families (historical ones, at least) appear?
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If they appear in the GC would have to depend on how the game flows, don't you think? There's e.g. no guarantee the Habsburgs will rise above their state in 1066 (it's not even sure if they will be there from the start...) later in the game.
 
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Originally posted by Havard
If they appear in the GC would have to depend on how the game flows, don't you think? There's e.g. no guarantee the Habsburgs will rise above their state in 1066 (it's not even sure if they will be there from the start...) later in the game.
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Habsburgs?:) Tsts. Babenbergers are the ones here. They were significantly more HRE orientated and nearly got Bavaria during the Welfs against Staufers affair.

Habsburgs were crowned Emperor because there were small and strong and in the middle of nowhere in the Swiss. There is the so called "Habichtsburg".
 
Yes, but is the Habsburg AI linked with the province Austria? Does it try to act historically and conquer it from Bohemia (or whatever dinasty controls it) in the 13th century?
 
There has been mention (long ago) of scenarios being released after the game release. There seems to be somewhat of a clamor for recreating the situation during different parts of the CK period and I am sure that it would be worthwhile for Snowball to put some effort into creating a "Scenario add-on Pack" or something similar. And if not - well, then surely there are folks on this forum who will create many a mod for the game.:)
 
Originally posted by Wasa
Interesting question..as Havard points out the domain of the Habsburgs is in Switzerland...
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Well... I didn't - TheArchduke did... ;)

Anyway, the power base of the Habsburgs in 1066 was partly in Switzerland () and partly in Alsace - they were (or became around this time) landgrafs of upper Alsace and were already counts (burggrafs?) of Habsburg.
 
I was under the impression there would only be the GC in the initial release.
 
Originally posted by Havard
Well... I didn't - TheArchduke did... ;)

Anyway, the power base of the Habsburgs in 1066 was partly in Switzerland () and partly in Alsace - they were (or became around this time) landgrafs of upper Alsace and were already counts (burggrafs?) of Habsburg.
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The last hope of a strong HRE was gone before the Habsburgs.

Rudolf of Habsburg was elected Emperor because he was so weak and insignificant after all. They brought him the message of his election to be Emperor during a siege of some bishop nearby.

So what he did was demanding Austria back from Bohemia as it was up to the Emperor to retake lost fiefs as it is called also in English i hope.
Ottokar Premszlyn(Sorry for the mispelling) fought him of course and died and Rudolf kindly offered Austria as a fief to his sons.

So the Habsburgs are really, really insignificant until Rudolf comes around.
 
Originally posted by Wasa
My apologies to TheArchduke then....;)
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No problem at all.:) What are all this (censored) things you have?
 
Originally posted by TheArchduke


So the Habsburgs are really, really insignificant until Rudolf comes around.
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Yep. That's also why I am unsure if they will even be in the GC or not... As you say they only got Austria after Rudolf had "liberated" it from Ottokar and long after he became HRE...

(fief is fine in English, yes :))
 
But maybe they will appears as Little Noblemen Landlords in Central Europe, that after succesfull Marriages achieve to rule the World :p
 
Originally posted by Havard
Yep. That's also why I am unsure if they will even be in the GC or not... As you say they only got Austria after Rudolf had "liberated" it from Ottokar and long after he became HRE...

(fief is fine in English, yes :))
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If there is an event engine they should be in however. Maybe replacing the old Babenbergers. I suppose the Babenbergers are in, no?
 
Originally posted by TheArchduke
I suppose the Babenbergers are in, no?
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They will most certainly be in, as margraves of the Östmarch! :)

As for an event to put the Habsburgs in Austria... If the Babenberg margrave doesn't die childless as Frederich II did in 1246 there will be no justification for the HRE to confiscate the fiefs... ;)
 
Originally posted by Havard
They will most certainly be in, as margraves of the Östmarch! :)

As for an event to put the Habsburgs in Austria... If the Babenberg margrave doesn't die childless as Frederich II did in 1246 there will be no justification for the HRE to confiscate the fiefs... ;)
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Ohuh this is not good. As the last Babenberger was called "Der Streitbare" ("The likely to fight"). He died in battle much too early. Won´t happen probably. Is something like 1526 in Eu2 with Hungary probably..
 
Originally posted by TheArchduke
Ohuh this is not good. As the last Babenberger was called "Der Streitbare" ("The likely to fight"). He died in battle much too early. Won´t happen probably. Is something like 1526 in Eu2 with Hungary probably..
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Not good for the Habsburgs - good for the Babenbergs... maybe ;)

The situation with Austria upon the death of the last Babenberger is a bit unclear to me... I need a HRE exper here! It seems Ottokar of Bohemia acceded to the margraviate through his marriage to Frederich II's sister... Since the HRE could confiscate the fief I guess this inheritance was illegal? Or was it just a matter of who had the most force to put behind his words? Or was it after the death of Ottokar at Marchfeld the confiscation became legal?
 
Originally posted by Havard
Not good for the Habsburgs - good for the Babenbergs... maybe ;)

The situation with Austria upon the death of the last Babenberger is a bit unclear to me... I need a HRE exper here! It seems Ottokar of Bohemia acceded to the margraviate through his marriage to Frederich II's sister... Since the HRE could confiscate the fief I guess this inheritance was illegal? Or was it just a matter of who had the most force to put behind his words? Or was it after the death of Ottokar at Marchfeld the confiscation became legal?
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His confiscation was not too "illegal" it was a grey zone.
But Ottokar was too strong with Bohemia, Silesia and Austria behind him. So the dukes of the HRE supported Rudolf and he had maygar support (thus beginning a Habsburg long tradition).

Although the Habsburgs then made Austria their inherited lands. Which effectively decided that the Habsburg lost their emperor title.

Lateron Nassaus tried the same and failed. And lateron the Luxemburgs suceeded. The Luxembergs then inherited Bohemia and other fiefs and prepared the way for the Habsburgs who again became Emperors as the Luxembergs died out.:)
 
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