Let me show you just an screenshot...

[Kretoxian]

Let me show you just a screenshot...

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[Trunyx]

I WANT THIS (if there are also ahistorical decisions-

 

[Josip]

Beautiful.

 

[von Sachsen]

Now the question is: historical WWII ending, or new Cold War scenario?

 

[Ethan194]

If its a new cold war scenario then im glad it uses the new darkest hour map rather than the hoi2 one.

 

[Kretoxian]

If you played any HPS modern campaigns game (Which i recommend all of them, specially Danube Front 85) you'll find an alternate history scenario where the WW3 starts in June 1985 or, if you apply the mod "The Bolt Out of the Blue" (which i also recommend) June 1989.

This mod is based either on the game's storyline or the mod's one. Next, there's copied a summary of both and you decide which one is better. (I haven't started to script events yet)

West Germany, June 10th 1985: For four decades the armies of East and West had faced each other from across the Inter-German Border. Though initially allies, these forces had long ago become bitter rivals, each prepared to enter mortal combat with the other if need be. The armies of NATO, consisting of Land Forces Jutland (LANDJUT), the Central Army Group (CENTAG) and Northern Army Group (NORTHAG), were the single largest grouping of the Free World's military power on Earth. Comprising all of the West German military, the NATO force also boasted the cream of the British Army in the British Army of the Rhine (BAOR), the finest of the US Army in its Vth and VIIth Corps, and the pick of the Dutch, Belgian, French, Danish and Canadian forces as well. Facing them were the best the Warsaw Pact could muster; 9 full armies comprised of troops from the Soviet Union, East Germany, Czechoslovakia and Poland. Over half a million men, 50,000 tanks, 10,000 guns and thousands of aircraft filled bases on both sides of the Iron Curtain. Each side husbanded stockpiles of fuel, ammunition, and supplies. All that remained was for a crisis to arise, and the order for war to be given. In the summer of 1985, that crisis arrived. The USSR launched its "Berserker Strategy" of attack from garrison, depending on complete surprise to gain the initial, crucial advantage over NATO. Through the Fulda, Hof, and Cheb Gaps, and across the North German Plain, the Red Forces surged, catching the West's guardians unprepared. In the far south, three armies drove for Munich; in the upper south, two armies drove towards Frankfurt and the heart of West Germany, in the mid-north, three armies crashed across the watery, wooded landscape towards the Ruhr and the Netherlands, while in the far north, two armies drove for Denmark. World War III in Europe had begun, and the fate of the Western alliance hung in the balance

Eighteen hours ago the world found out Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev was assassinated 2 days prior by hard line communists inside the military and government, at first the West didn't know the intentions of the new government in Moscow so they waited, and they didn't have to wait long when Nato communication stations picked up a high volume of communications between units and Moscow, satellites shortly after picked up increase Warsaw Pact military movements all around the country,in the west Pact forces where seen fueling military vehicles and troops were mobilizing, on the Kola Peninsula American satellites could see Soviet subs leaving port and their was still no word from the Soviet government, could this be it. Twelve hours ago Nato went on High Alert and started mobilizing, with Pact ground forces still a couple hours away from the few Nato units who reached their GDP positions, the rest still twelve hours away and the first American reinforcements just leaving US airfields the attack started with a massive cruise missile attack from Soviet long range bombers and surface to surface missiles, the target Nato airfields, it was followed shortly after by waves of Pact aircraft, this is when Nato commanders realized their worst case scenario had come true, the Soviets have initiated THE BOLT OUT OF THE BLUE ..........................

Which one do you prefer?

Later i'm going to write about how i'm handing land, air and sea units.

 

[unmerged(174159)]

I want Bolt out of the Blue - on one condition. We can have a Red Storm Rising ending if strategic objectives are not achieved. The Russians should be pushing for oil! At that point in history, the drop in oil prices was effing up the Soviet economy mucho bigstyle. That's partly why Gorby even got in.

 

[Ethan194]

Bolt out of the Blue is much more convincing story and how far are you into making this mod?

 

[Kretoxian]

I also think that BOOTB is much more convincing, the assasination of Gorbachev by hard line communists (Gennady Yanayev, Dmitry Yazov and Vladimir Kryuchkov) and the consequent declaration of war.

I have not read red storm rising so i don't know the ending of it. This mod is based on the game/mod that i already said in the previous post.

Now let me explain you the factions in this game (they are taken direcly both from Danube Front ,Korea 85 and an unreleased mod for Korea 85 based on the BOOTB scenario)

-NATO/SEATO: : USA ENG FRA BEL HOL DEN DFR NOR SPA POR ITA KOR AST NZL CAN JAP GRE TUR LUX ICL SAU PAK PHI SIA ICL

-Warsaw Pact (and later WP+allies): SOV POL BUL ROM DDR CZE HUN MON (With later alliances with CUB, ANG and others)

-Asian Communists (placeholder name until a better one is found): CHC PRK

Another point i would like to remark is that when the soviets launch their attack, the PRC and PRK decide to attack south Korea and Taiwan helping each other. Unfortunately i don't have the info from the BOOTB for Korea 85 so we will have to be content with the game's description:

Central Korean Peninsula, June 15th 1985: After ten bloody days of conflict between NATO and the Warsaw Pact in Central Europe, North Korea seizes the opportunity to attack its neighbor during this period of global strife. With the majority of US military assets fixed in the war in Europe, North Korea makes preparation for a well orchestrated invasion. At 0300 on the 15th of June NKPA artillery batteries release a thunderous volley that can be heard for miles as the North Korean People's Army surges across the Demilitarized Zone into the Republic of Korea. At that same moment secret North Korean tunnels that had been dug under the DMZ open releasing columns of NKPA tanks and troops behind enemy lines. Soon after NKPA amphibious units land on South Korean beaches and NKPA airborne units drop behind enemy lines causing havoc and confusion. Yet again South Korea must fight for its right to exist as it makes its defiant stand on the Frontier of Freedom.

I think that's it's a rather interesting scenario, isn't it?

Oh BTW i almost forgot it. The mod is done... let's see:
-Scenario and starting countries borders defined: 100%
-Ministers:Almost every starting country has at least HoS and HoG. The inmediate goal is to get the starting cabinets for every possible country in the game. So far, the countries with a complete government (IE HoS, HoG, FM, ArM, MoS, HoMI, CoS, CoA, CoN and CoAA) are USA, CAN, ENG, FRA, ITA, DFR, DDR, POL, ROM, TUR, ISR, PAK, SOV, CHC, CHI, AST, MEX, CUB, CHL if i recall correctly because i'm writing it by heart.
-OOB: Some countries done, much others still missing, due to lack of info or simply because i have not started yet. I'm using these files to make the oob:
http://www.microarmormayhem.com/NATO_ORDER_OF_BATTLE_mod_8.doc
and this other one:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/519141/Warsaw-Pact-Order-of-Battle-June-1989.
I'll explain later why, but the NATO countries standard unit is the brigade instead of the division and the WP standard unit is the division. However for both sides the brigades are replaced by battalions (beeing the only exception the artillery, which are still represented by brigades)
-Unit names definitions: Almost of them done. I'll explain them in another post because i'm lacking time
-Unit values: Nothing done.
-Graphics: I've recycled a pair of things from the old CW mod which i worked on but nothing more.
-Tech tree: Nothing done. In fact, i'm thinking about deactivating (at least for an initial release) the investigation and production tabs in order to make it more "historically" correct (IE following both mod and game stories.
-Countries definitions: Need help with this.

Any other help you can provide (specially with naval OOBs would be greatly apreciated)

I've also gathered some info on Russian navy, check it please and remember that it's not complete yet:
http://pastebin.com/HU0xKmWC

 

[Dogget]

I will try to help you with whatever research information you may need. I remember the Cold War mod and the job you've done on it so I can tell that this mod will be something big and can't wait to play it.

 

[unmerged(174159)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising#Plot_summary

 

[Ethan194]

Does this mod mean were gonna get loads of 80s music to match the games time frame.

 

[unmerged(82211)]

I prefer the "The Bolt Out of the Blue" historyline.

 

[Kretoxian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising#Plot_summary

Acording to what i've read, it's basically the same as this mod's story. The way i see the countries posture in europe is the next:
-Iceland: NATO aligned, but without army.
-Ireland: Neutral
-Uk: NATO
-France: NATO
-Spain: NATO
-Portugal: NATO
-Italy: NATO
-Belgium: NATO
-Luxembourg: NATO (No army)
-Holland: NATO
-DFR: NATO
-Denmark: NATO
-Norway: NATO
-Sweden: Neutral
-Finland: Neutral
-Poland: WP
-DDR:WP
-Czechoslovakia: WP
-Austria: Neutral but invaded by the WP because it's just like the equivalent to the ardennes of 1940 and they have a rather small army
-Yugoslavia: 60% chance of being neutral, 30%allying with WP 10% of being invaded by WP
-Albania: Same as Yug, depending on yug
-Greece: NATO member
-Bulgaria: WP
-Hungary: WP
-Romania: WP
-Switzerland: Neutral
-Malta: Neutral
-USSR: WP

(Did i forgot any country?)

Does this mod mean were gonna get loads of 80s music to match the games time frame.

[video=youtube;Tb-gI_pFog0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-gI_pFog0[/video]

 

[123xyz8]

Also need to add in Soviet march from Red Alert.

 

[unmerged(82211)]

What about all that Central and South American countries that were hardly influenced by USA's point of view in that period?? Many had a dictatorial right wing government...

 

[unmerged(174159)]

What about all that Central and South American countries that were hardly influenced by USA's point of view in that period?? Many had a dictatorial right wing government...

The whole point of Unaligned Nations is that they A) Swallow up US and Soviet Aid whenever they can and B) Watch the world war go boom then conquer the remains of the planet that don't glow.

Also, South Africa will still have nukes - will the apartheid regime stay in power? Or will they decommission their weapons and submit to the ANC?

 

[Trunyx]

Also need to add in Soviet march from Red Alert.

[video=youtube;6nFKPVfDrgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nFKPVfDrgU[/video]
Better

 

[Kretoxian]

I think that this map can clear the things up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cold_War_Map_1980.svg

EDIT: Could anyone please provide a OOB (Ship by ship) for both Romanian and Bulgarian navies please?

 

[Dogget]

I will take the Bulgaria naval OOB.