Leverage does not shift to account for predicted unclaimed or to account for blocs that are predicted as 0.

[Derizia]

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Summary​

Leverage does not shift to account for predicted unclaimed or to account for blocs that are predicted as 0.

Description​

Leverage only shifts current leverage toward predicted leverage for the Blocs themselves, and never shifts current UNCLAIMED leverage in favor of predicted unclaimed leverage (but will shift current unclaimed OUT). For example, if a country rises from an insignificant power to minor power, its rank based leverage resistance rises from 250 to 500. This then increases the predicted unclaimed leverage. However, the power blocs will NEVER lose leverage to unclaimed leverage, only to each other. This means that a nation's unclaimed leverage will never increase from the value it was at the start of the game, it can only decrease.

There is an additional problem as well; Blocs who have current leverage in a country where their predicted leverage is 0 (non-existent) simply do not shift, regardless. If predicted is 1 it would shift, but if it is 0 it will not. In this situation the current leverage simply remains unchanged perpetually, and blocs who should have no leverage over a country have lingering fake leverage.

This also means that if you join a Sovereign Empire bloc, you are effectively locked into that bloc for the entire playthrough, as you can virtually NEVER reduce the bloc leader's leverage below the threshold for leaving, since you cannot ever increase your unclaimed leverage. (I did a Romania run where i became a great power and was still unable to leave Russia's bloc because of this issue, ruining the entire run.)

This is game breaking when playing any country that is not a great power at start, especially those in Europe.

Steps to reproduce​

Should be visible from game start, simply watch the leverage of any country whose unclaimed current leverage is lower than its predicted leverage. I have also provided a save from which several examples can be found;

In the save file, the Ottomans bloc no longer exists because its prestige dropped it into minor power level for a time prior to the current date. As such it has unclaimed leverage, as well as leverage from the French, Prussian, Russian, Austrian, and British blocs. However, the French bloc has no predicted leverage at all, and its predicted unclaimed leverage is ~100 points higher than its current unclaimed leverage. All other blocs have predicted leverage matching or slightly below their current leverage. Normally, the French Bloc should be losing its leverage every week, and a small amount should also be shifting away from the British. Both of these should be shifting into the Unclaimed pool. Instead, all leverage is static. The French cannot lose leverage as they have 0 predicted, and the other blocs are not losing leverage either, as the unclaimed leverage never takes from them.

Another example is the United Principalities (my country in this save). Every bloc has slightly more current leverage than their potential leverage, and unclaimed leverage is at 13.9% but should be shifting towards 21.8%. However, no matter how much time has passed, this does not happen. Even if you take extreme measures, breaking all the diplomatic pacts with Russia and GB to drastically lower their potential, NONE of that leverage will ever shift into unclaimed leverage, instead the Zollverein simply gains a small amount of leverage taken from them since its relative leverage is now slightly higher. Unclaimed leverage is essentially ignored in this calculation.

A third example is Portugal. The Russian, GB, and French blocs all have small amounts more current leverage than predicted leverage, and the Metternich system has current leverage with a 0 predicted leverage. Unclaimed is at 29.3% but should be shifting to 37.5%. However, none of these leverages shift. The Metternich does not shift towards 0, and unclaimed does not shift higher. Everything is static.

Game Version​

1.7.1

OS​

Windows

Additional​

Bug Type​

Other

Save Game​

View attachment united principalities.v3

Attachments​

View attachment united principalities.v3

Player Pain​

9

 

[Derizia]

This bug is still present in 1.7.3 (v. in orig post updated from 1.7.1).

Oct 13, 1837, you can see in attached save that both Wallachia and Two Sicilies (and probably many other countries around the world) have frozen current leverages. The country's own leverage (from resistance) is frozen and does not change, causing other bloc's leverages to be frozen at levels higher than they should be. This is particularly pronounced in Wallachia (player country) where the Ottoman Bloc's leverage is frozen 180(!) leverage points higher than it should be.

This problem can be game breaking for countries that do not start at major+ power levels. (To give an example of why this is a major problem, playing as Wallachia means that once you gain independence from the Ottomans, even if you grow to a level where you increase your leverage resistance, you will never stop the russians from having more than enough advantage to invite you to their sovereign empire. If you refuse this it will trash your relationship with the russians and often wreck any alliance you may have managed to get with them, significantly hindering your ability to bring them in as an ally against Austria or the Ottomans in bids to get Romanian homelands or release other balkan countries. If you accept the invitation to the Russian bloc, you will NEVER be able to leave it, as you can't grow your leverage resistance to be able to lower the Russian advantage to the limit where the option is even available. You are completely locked into their bloc, even upon reaching great power level.)

 

[Gui10]

Experienced something similar in 1.7.5
British leverage over countries where they no longer have an active interest is not decreasing, despite the fact it should have dropped to 0 long ago.

 

[Derizia]

Experienced something similar in 1.7.5
British leverage over countries where they no longer have an active interest is not decreasing, despite the fact it should have dropped to 0 long ago.

Yup, since unclaimed leverage can never increase, countries still have leverage even when they no longer have an active interest in the region. This plus everything described in the bug report is still present in 1.7.5, just like every hotfix since 1.7 was released. It's easily reproduceable and I've provided screenshots and saves, and it's a major issue, so it's rather frustrating that this hasn't even gotten a response.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that somehow negative unclaimed leverage appears to be possible. See attached screenshot and save.

 

[Derizia]

Still present in 1.7.8.

Attached Screenshot shows the various bloc's leverage over Wallachia (player country). I wasn't able to hover over them without blocking part of the important bits so fyi; All blocs are shifting by 0 in the current screenshot. Their current leverage is all above that of their predicted leverage, but because unclaimed leverage never increases, only decreases, nothing is forcing them down to where they should be. Save file also attached. STR = Start as any non-GP country, grow your power ranking or other form of leverage resistance (in this case the country's law was changed to National Militia and we gained a power ranking through prestige via the Renowned Playwright event). The blocs will shift their leverage around between each other until they are all at least their predicted level, but those whose current leverage is already above their predicted will not go down as the unclaimed leverage is not taking from them.

EDIT: There is one instance in which unclaimed leverage will increase; If a power bloc with leverage over a country whose current leverage is below that of their predicted leverage, they will gain leverage if that power bloc dissolves completely. You can see this via the save provided as well. If you dissolve the Devlet-i'Aliye, Wallachia will gain some of the leverage left behind from the Ottomans.

 

[Ato1]

Still present in 1.7.8.

Attached Screenshot shows the various bloc's leverage over Wallachia (player country). I wasn't able to hover over them without blocking part of the important bits so fyi; All blocs are shifting by 0 in the current screenshot. Their current leverage is all above that of their predicted leverage, but because unclaimed leverage never increases, only decreases, nothing is forcing them down to where they should be. Save file also attached. STR = Start as any non-GP country, grow your power ranking or other form of leverage resistance (in this case the country's law was changed to National Militia and we gained a power ranking through prestige via the Renowned Playwright event). The blocs will shift their leverage around between each other until they are all at least their predicted level, but those whose current leverage is already above their predicted will not go down as the unclaimed leverage is not taking from them.

EDIT: There is one instance in which unclaimed leverage will increase; If a power bloc with leverage over a country whose current leverage is below that of their predicted leverage, they will gain leverage if that power bloc dissolves completely. You can see this via the save provided as well. If you dissolve the Devlet-i'Aliye, Wallachia will gain some of the leverage left behind from the Ottomans.

I can confirm that this bug is still present. It makes playing a smaller country raising in ranks a pain. Once you get sphered, it is hard to leave, because the unclaimed portion never recovers.

 

[Derizia]

I can confirm that this bug is still present. It makes playing a smaller country raising in ranks a pain. Once you get sphered, it is hard to leave, because the unclaimed portion never recovers.

There have been 7 patches since I initially reported this bug. It is blindingly obvious and easily replicable (it's unavoidable for any non-GP country ffs...). I have reconfirmed the bug on 3 of those patches, submitting 4 total save games. There have been 0 responses to the bug report. I have given up hope that this will be fixed until some dev accidentally stumbles upon it. I even tried to fix it myself because it was so annoying to me, but best I can tell it's not possible with the files available to us.

 

[Liamrs]

I'm experiencing the exact same bug and it's extremely frustrating. Unable to leave a power bloc as Afghanistan even though my predicted leverage far outstrips all the blocs influencing me, it never increases at all and I'm stuck in Russia's bloc

 

[Derizia]

5 months, 7 minor patches, 1 major patch, and a DLC release and the fundamental mechanic of a DLC still doesn't work, nor has the dev even acknowledged the bug's existence. This is baffling and frankly unacceptable for a mechanic required to make a PAID DLC function.

The bug preventing power blocs who no longer have an interest in a region from losing leverage has been fixed, but the bigger bug, of a nation's unclaimed leverage never increasing, still exists.

Attached a save in the seemingly remote possibility this bug report ever gets processed. Look at any member of the Ottoman, Russian, or Austrian power bloc (and I assume the others) and you'll see every member's unclaimed leverage is well below where it should be, and that it will not increase.

 

[Ato1]

5 months, 7 minor patches, 1 major patch, and a DLC release and the fundamental mechanic of a DLC still doesn't work, nor has the dev even acknowledged the bug's existence. This is baffling and frankly unacceptable for a mechanic required to make a PAID DLC function.

The bug preventing power blocs who no longer have an interest in a region from losing leverage has been fixed, but the bigger bug, of a nation's unclaimed leverage never increasing, still exists.

Attached a save in the seemingly remote possibility this bug report ever gets processed. Look at any member of the Ottoman, Russian, or Austrian power bloc (and I assume the others) and you'll see every member's unclaimed leverage is well below where it should be, and that it will not increase.

Ah, pity. I had hoped that this would have been fixed in 1.8. That's too bad; the bug is so annoying that I'll hold off another playthrough for a bit longer.

Thanks for reporting the status of the bug, I appreciate it!

 

[Ferrous Will]

is this still an issue?

 

[Jacky970]

Well, if I load the save (which barely works because it's outdated). I still don't see unclaimed leverage of united provinces increasing so I guess the bug still exists.

 

[Ferrous Will]

i think i know a way to implement a workaround, but ill need to test it a little first

 

[Jacky970]

That would be very nice. Did you manage to test it ? Keep me updated please and thank you for your great work !

 

[Ferrous Will]

That would be very nice. Did you manage to test it ? Keep me updated please and thank you for your great work !

Ok so, i think it works
The way i did this is forcing every bloc to lose some leverage every week
But there is a balancing concern so i'd like people's input here

There is a minimum increase of 1 leverage unit when it does increase, so in practice everytime a bloc gains leverage is going to be 1 and something.
I could make it so every bloc loses half a unit every tick, but i worry it might nerf leverage gain too much

I have never really played with the bloc mechanic so any input here is welcome

 

[Jacky970]

This is good news !
Well, I myself didn't play with it a lot.
Maybe someone else in this thread can help us tune it properly ?

I can help to test things too if needed.

 

[Derizia]

You can increase the minimum weekly leverage gain to any number you wish. I can't remember the specific file but it's pretty easy; There is a define somewhere that simply states what the minimum is. If you can force all blocs to lose 0.5 leverage a week (I would be interested to know how you accomplished this), then increase the minimum to 2 (I don't know if you can use decimals, if so just 1.5), that would do it. However, are you sure that the "lost" leverage would actually go to the unclaimed pool and not simply be redistributed to another bloc? This is currently the issue with the game, that any lost leverage only goes to another bloc, with the lone situation of a bloc dissolving (most often the Ottoman's) shifting its leverage to the unclaimed pool.

Also yes I can confirm the bug still exists. Technically the save files shouldn't even be necessary (yes the first post's is very outdated but the most recent one is from 1.8.3) since any game that progresses 5 years into the game will see this issue across a wide swath of AI minors.

 

[Ferrous Will]

You can increase the minimum weekly leverage gain to any number you wish. I can't remember the specific file but it's pretty easy; There is a define somewhere that simply states what the minimum is.

I know how to change it, i have published over 50 mods on steam, in all likelihood i know more than you do.

anyway, im asking about balance.

 

[raggnorock564]

Vouching that this bug is affecting me too. Joined the French power bloc as New Granada early on, and now that I'm much stronger economically, the leverage isn't ticking down from the displayed current leverage to the predicted leverage. I'd love to leave this power bloc especially since France's trade routes are getting absolutely walloped by Great Britain in my game and my MAPI is down to 50% in all of my provinces.