How will/is it possible for these types of groundbreaking documents to be moddeled in CK since we don't have a historical dynastical system?
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Were there many other constitutional documents being signed between king and nobility in those days?
I suppose it'd be feasible with regulatory documents between king and nobles as a feature in the game?
I suppose it'd be feasible with regulatory documents between king and nobles as a feature in the game?
There was one in Spain but can't remember if was few years after start of game or a few before the start of the game
Originally posted by Jaron
Maybe just an event would work.
Could be an event tied to a certain number of provinces being in rebel hands after a certain date in England.
Hmm, i would actually dislike these pre-made events. It should depend more on your style of game, your strentgh etc.
If John would have been a strong ruler, the nobles wouldn't have came up with Magna Charta as well- and if you manage to play strong, the nobles should behead themselves before trying to oppose you- just to save you some trouble.
Oh, and on the sidenote? Jinnai? Phehh. Makoto rules you
If John would have been a strong ruler, the nobles wouldn't have came up with Magna Charta as well- and if you manage to play strong, the nobles should behead themselves before trying to oppose you- just to save you some trouble.
Oh, and on the sidenote? Jinnai? Phehh. Makoto rules you
Sure, it is just a charter of privileges. Any Medieval society had that kind of document one way or another. It has become a constitutional myth because of its use by later opponents of the Monarch's ambition of absolutism until the Glorious Revolution.
If John Without Land had been more firm at that time, the Magna Carta would not have existed, or its ideas would have been in another document later, but withholding the precedent of an earlier firm monarch, with the same destiny as many charters of privilege of the aristocracy in the neighboring French society.
Drakken
If John Without Land had been more firm at that time, the Magna Carta would not have existed, or its ideas would have been in another document later, but withholding the precedent of an earlier firm monarch, with the same destiny as many charters of privilege of the aristocracy in the neighboring French society.
Drakken
Right, like I said - if things get too out of hand (i.e. the barons get too much power over you) then they can force a charter of priveleges on you. Every dynasty can have their own event.
Originally posted by Sonny
Right, like I said - if things get too out of hand (i.e. the barons get too much power over you) then they can force a charter of priveleges on you. Every dynasty can have their own event.
Of course.
Drakken
Originally posted by Sonny
Right, like I said - if things get too out of hand (i.e. the barons get too much power over you) then they can force a charter of priveleges on you. Every dynasty can have their own event.
As long as the clercks can be hmm... really absent-minded or stupid... and accidentally use it to light fire with it later when you don't need it anymore, it'd be cool
Baah, stupid clerks
The truth is that the barons did have quite a leverage towards the king anyway (absolutism was just a dream in those days) by being his vassals, so maybe such documents are really unecessary.
I wonder if CK is like EU if you'll just declare war and smash your barons and cancel any sort of agreement. I hope its a bit more difficult.
I'm sure there'd be a copy somewhere....Originally posted by hjarg
As long as the clercks can be hmm... really absent-minded or stupid... and accidentally use it to light fire with it later when you don't need it anymore, it'd be cool
Baah, stupid clerks
It was the other way round. John was trying to take power away from the nobles to give it to the people. Despite all the Robin Hood mythology John was really a good king, in the modern sense, in that he was heavily involved in the mechanisms of state - trying to reform the legal system, rights of the people etc.
The problem was that if the people had more power the nobles had less, so they all ganged up on him to make him sign it. The Magna Carta wasn't a guarantee of citizen's rights - it was a guarantee of the nobility's rights.
and he lost a 'little' of Europe - he wasn't called Lackland for nothing.
Anyway, the Magna Carta was violated within 6 weeks of it being signed. And John paid homage to the Innocent III and got the document to be declared heretical or something like that. Qhich just goes to show who wily a politican John was (After all, for nominal cost he managed to get ever rebel against anathemetised).
Anyway, the Magna Carta was violated within 6 weeks of it being signed. And John paid homage to the Innocent III and got the document to be declared heretical or something like that. Qhich just goes to show who wily a politican John was (After all, for nominal cost he managed to get ever rebel against anathemetised).
You reckon? I believe John was adequate to strong in every field but diplomacy, which was a shame since if a medieval king needed to be one thing (esp in John's position where your rule depended on provincial stability and key allies) it was a good diplomat.
Originally posted by stnylan
and he lost a 'little' of Europe - he wasn't called Lackland for nothing.
Anyway, the Magna Carta was violated within 6 weeks of it being signed. And John paid homage to the Innocent III and got the document to be declared heretical or something like that. Qhich just goes to show who wily a politican John was (After all, for nominal cost he managed to get ever rebel against anathemetised).
To beat the barons too, John sorta "sold" England to the Pope, so by the time of the next King, the treasury was bankrupt...
He was clled Lackland because by the time he was born his dad had parceled out all the continental lands to his older brothers. So he was given a chance to make his way in Ireland which did not work out too well.
Once he took the throne he lost a lot of that territory and his great-great grandson had to try and get it back.