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GM, I take issue with Tristan's nation, as it completely ignores all of it's surroundings (see Alnnuqta, Atlas and Morocco) and creates a completely independent country which is supposed to have existed since 1876 with no apparent interaction with it's neighbors (one of which it surrounds completely!).
Therefore, it breaks not only Rule 6, but also the rule of logic, I can post a big country and draw it in a map, but just leave it's history blank for another 2 or 3 days, stopping any other player from claiming it and writing something that makes at least some sense.
@Tristanxh No, I didn't break the rule, I posted two non-large countries, and claimed the other land to continue writing the rest.
GM, I take issue with Tristan's nation, as it completely ignores all of it's surroundings (see Alnnuqta, Atlas and Morocco) and creates a completely independent country which is supposed to have existed since 1876 with no apparent interaction with it's neighbors (one of which it surrounds completely!).
Therefore, it breaks not only Rule 6, but also the rule of logic, I can post a big country and draw it in a map, but just leave it's history blank for another 2 or 3 days, stopping any other player from claiming it and writing something that makes at least some sense.
@Tristanxh No, I didn't break the rule, I posted two non-large countries, and claimed the other land to continue writing the rest.
You are allowed to post countries without the history and add it in later on. I'd say, as long as he fixes his history to include those countries that border his, he should be fine.
You are allowed to post countries without the history and add it in later on. I'd say, as long as he fixes his history to include those countries that border his, he should be fine.
Isn't it too late now? Giving him the right to start over the nation again will hinder the progress I made, which is talking to the neighbors to create an interesting story that makes sense. Can't he claim somewhere else?
Official Name: People's Union of Islamic Republics Commonly Used Name(s): Islamic Union Government Type: Communist Dictatorship Current Ruling Party (if applicable): People's Congress of the Peoples Republics Capital (Of the PUIR): Kazan Head of State: Vladimir al Ukraini
Head of State: Jan Pawłow Current Ruling Party: Polish Unions Party Capital: Warsaw Culture: Polish (98%) Language: Polish Religion: Catholic (34%), Shia Islam (62%), Atheist (3%)
Head of State: Mikhail Tolkstykh Current Ruling Party: People's Liberatory Red Guard Capital: Kiev Culture: Ukrainian (75%) Russian (18%) Slovak (4%) Language: Ukrainian, Russian Religion: Shia Islam (22%), Sunni Islam (60%), Atheist (12%)
Head of State: Natalia Poklonskaya Current Ruling Party: Wealth And Independence Federal Unions Capital: Moscow Culture: Russian (85%) Language: Russian Religion: Shia Islam (67%), Sunni Islam (22%), Atheist (5%)
Head of State: Boris al Chernobyli Current Ruling Party: People's Party of National Unity Capital: Minsk Culture: Belarussian (99%) Language: Russian Religion: Sunni Islam (40%), Shia Islam (58%)
Head of State: Mohammad Borisov Current Ruling Party: People's Trust for the Enrichment of Cultures Capital: Astana Culture: Mainly Turkish (55%), Countless Minority Groups Language: Turkish, Russian Religion: Shia Islam (60%) Sunni Islam (32%)
Head of State: Mikhail Watevich Current Ruling Party: Lithuanian Red Guard Party Capital: Vilinius Culture: Lithuanian (60%) Latvian (22%) Russian (5%) Language: Lithuanian, Latvian, Russian Religion: Shia Islam (42%) Atheist (52%)
Hi there, guys, I`ve been digging your game up and have some questions to some of you. (Please don`t hit an intruder :3)
So, Shynka`s country. A really interesting muslim USSR idea. The question is: with islam practically replacing orthodoxy in this timeline, cyrillic practically doesn`t make it into extistence? Like, those monks, Kirill and Mefodiy, never visit Rus and thus cyrillic is never created. How do people of PUIR even write then? Do they use old Russian, or did they switch to writing in arabic, or some kind of analogy to cyrillic of this TL (Again, muslimified old Russian)?
Issue number two: lets look up the ministers of PUIR. We got: Vladimir, Jan, Mikhail, Natalia, Boris, Mohammad, Mikhail. Well, Mohammad is naturally the true one even among other muslim names, so it`s fine. Vladimir -- old Russian, fine, too. Boris -- weirdly unknown shit, probably still old Russian, though, so leave it aside. Jan -- Polish were probably conquered sometime in history, later than 9th century, so keeping Jan around is okay. So, we have two Mikhails and Natalia. Greek and Latin. What the hell are they doing in this TL, if Byzantines simply never influenced Rus? Should`ve probably been replaced with some Arab names.
Official Name: The Russian Liberation Army
Commonly Used Name(s): East Siberian Federation, Irkutsk Alliance
Government Type: Federation, Military State
Current Ruling Party :None (Officially), The Northern Army (Unofficially)
Capital: Irkutsk
Head of State: None (Officially), Central Army Committee (Unoffcially)
Cultures: Russian, Mongolian, Manchu, Siberian (various different local cultures)
Languages: Russian, Mongolian, Manchu, Local Siberian Languages
Religions: Russian Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Tengrism, Other religions
Population: 60 Million
Founding Date: 8th June 1925
Date of Max Extent: 2015 and growing.
Location: Eastern Siberia, Mongolia, Northern Manchuria and associated Islands.
Okay, Thandros... Where do we even start... So, you wanna tell me a nation built of REFUGEES grew to, literally, sixty million people? Well, you might say, that is technically possible. Just depends on how many refugees there actually were, huh? Lets prove it wrong. Siberia + Far East in modern OTL Russia together host about 26,3 million. AND these lands were settled under a special programme, not by refugees! AND a half of the actual thing called "Siberia", according to the map, is the commies` territory. After it you might say, but how about Manchuria and Mongolia, how about Xinjang?! Well, my friend... It would be painful to let you know Manchuria alone hosts 120 million people as of 2011. That`s... a bit more than 60 million. Unless there was a genocide sanctioned by russians everywhere they went, you gotta fix the numbers, man.
Wait-wait... It`s not over. What the hell is Orthodoxy even existing here? Lets look at a quote by Ironhide from his text about The Most Holy Christian Empire: "Founded after the fall of the Western Empire, the Eastern Emperors moved the capital to Iconium, transforming it into a big city. Rather than trying to expand, they tried to develop internally, quickly becoming wealthy and prosperous and defensive. Renowned for their navy, which was by far the strongest in the Mediterranean, they thought it pointless to conquer Phoenicia to be part of the Empire and left it be. However they did capture the Arabian Coast. After the fall if Rome the Papacy moved to Iconium. There was no great schism, and Mass is still celebrated in Latin by all Catholics". You see it?
>There was no great schism
How does orthodoxy even exist then? A quote by Shynka about her muslim RSFSR: "Religion: Shia Islam (60%) Sunni Islam (32%), Atheist (5%)". So, do we see even the slightest bit of ORTHODOXY here? There goes a "No" again. Not only the numbers, but story needs fixing. If you know how to explain a sudden "Wild Orthodoxy appeared!" in your story, please do! It would be very interesting. :3
Also, to Ironhide and his Most Holy Empire. If there was no Schism, it`s called Chalcedonism, not Catholicism. Fix pls, baka!!
Hi there, guys, I`ve been digging your game up and have some questions to some of you. (Please don`t hit an intruder :3)
So, Shynka`s country. A really interesting muslim USSR idea. The question is: with islam practically replacing orthodoxy in this timeline, cyrillic practically doesn`t make it into extistence? Like, those monks, Kirill and Mefodiy, never visit Rus and thus cyrillic is never created. How do people of PUIR even write then? Do they use old Russian, or did they switch to writing in arabic, or some kind of analogy to cyrillic of this TL (Again, muslimified old Russian)?
Issue number two: lets look up the ministers of PUIR. We got: Vladimir, Jan, Mikhail, Natalia, Boris, Mohammad, Mikhail. Well, Mohammad is naturally the true one even among other muslim names, so it`s fine. Vladimir -- old Russian, fine, too. Boris -- weirdly unknown shit, probably still old Russian, though, so leave it aside. Jan -- Polish were probably conquered sometime in history, later than 9th century, so keeping Jan around is okay. So, we have two Mikhails and Natalia. Greek and Latin. What the hell are they doing in this TL, if Byzantines simply never influenced Rus? Should`ve probably been replaced with some Arab names.
Okay, Thandros... Where do we even start... So, you wanna tell me a nation built of REFUGEES grew to, literally, sixty million people? Well, you might say, that is technically possible. Just depends on how many refugees there actually were, huh? Lets prove it wrong. Siberia + Far East in modern OTL Russia together host about 26,3 million. AND these lands were settled under a special programme, not by refugees! AND a half of the actual thing called "Siberia", according to the map, is the commies` territory. After it you might say, but how about Manchuria and Mongolia, how about Xinjang?! Well, my friend... It would be painful to let you know Manchuria alone hosts 120 million people as of 2011. That`s... a bit more than 60 million. Unless there was a genocide sanctioned by russians everywhere they went, you gotta fix the numbers, man.
Wait-wait... It`s not over. What the hell is Orthodoxy even existing here? Lets look at a quote by Ironhide from his text about The Most Holy Christian Empire: "Founded after the fall of the Western Empire, the Eastern Emperors moved the capital to Iconium, transforming it into a big city. Rather than trying to expand, they tried to develop internally, quickly becoming wealthy and prosperous and defensive. Renowned for their navy, which was by far the strongest in the Mediterranean, they thought it pointless to conquer Phoenicia to be part of the Empire and left it be. However they did capture the Arabian Coast. After the fall if Rome the Papacy moved to Iconium. There was no great schism, and Mass is still celebrated in Latin by all Catholics". You see it?
>There was no great schism
How does orthodoxy even exist then? A quote by Shynka about her muslim RSFSR: "Religion: Shia Islam (60%) Sunni Islam (32%), Atheist (5%)". So, do we see even the slightest bit of ORTHODOXY here? There goes a "No" again. Not only the numbers, but story needs fixing. If you know how to explain a sudden "Wild Orthodoxy appeared!" in your story, please do! It would be very interesting. :3
Also, to Ironhide and his Most Holy Empire. If there was no Schism, it`s called Chalcedonism, not Catholicism. Fix pls, baka!!
Of course you do everything in your power to stop me... I honestly have to question your motives. Neither you or Afaslizo made nearly this big of a deal out of Ironhide's Empire, despite it technically preventing Arab expansion that had occurred. So why is it that you both have gone to such lengths to stop this one?
Both of you have lied to try and stop it, whether it be Afaslizo claiming to represent all players, or you claiming that you already claimed the land which it is on. Afaslizo and you both tried to circumnavigate the GM, you had clearly seen my nation and made a map immediately afterwards excluding it, and Afaslizo went on to claim that the 'gamers' had chosen to exclude me. Afaslizo claims I lied about the details of what's happening in my life as if he knows what's happening in my life. And you both claim that you are doing it for the sake of realism yet the only nation you find unrealistic so it seems is mine, which was disproven as CrazyDerp just made a post on how quite a few nations are unrealistic and overwrite each others histories incase you couldn't see that yourself. All in all, I can find no logical reason that you and Afaslizo continue your unrelenting assault against my nation even when the GM ruled in my favor.
So why is it that you are so intent of stopping this nation?
Even now you claim the land on which it is and ignore the fact that the GM ruled that it is legitimate, which is why I question whether or not you and Afaslizo even respect the GM as you seem to ignore his every word and my words as well. I had stated that I was busy working on a project and thus couldn't write my nation's history, which Afaslizo claimed was a lie as if he knows my life. And if you don't understand how life can delay your actions, perhaps you should get one? Also, even if the GM does eventually rule that I have violated the rules, you can't claim the land until then. These incoherent and unrelenting attacks are illogical, and I suggest you stop unless your purpose is to ruin the game for others. The GM will determine whether of not I've broken the rules after I've actually written something that might break the rules as it is currently impossible for my nation to have broken the rules due to it's lack of anything that might do so. Until such a time, the only thing you are doing is cluttering the thread.
"Founded after the fall of the Western Empire, the Eastern Emperors moved the capital to Iconium, transforming it into a big city. Rather than trying to expand, they tried to develop internally, quickly becoming wealthy and prosperous and defensive. Renowned for their navy, which was by far the strongest in the Mediterranean, they thought it pointless to conquer Phoenicia to be part of the Empire and left it be. However they did capture the Arabian Coast. After the fall if Rome the Papacy moved to Iconium. There was no great schism, and Mass is still celebrated in Latin by all Catholics". You see it?[/QUOTE]
I also see how Ironhide overrode my history, WRE never completely fell. lol
Okay, Thandros... Where do we even start... So, you wanna tell me a nation built of REFUGEES grew to, literally, sixty million people? Well, you might say, that is technically possible. Just depends on how many refugees there actually were, huh? Lets prove it wrong. Siberia + Far East in modern OTL Russia together host about 26,3 million. AND these lands were settled under a special programme, not by refugees! AND a half of the actual thing called "Siberia", according to the map, is the commies` territory. After it you might say, but how about Manchuria and Mongolia, how about Xinjang?! Well, my friend... It would be painful to let you know Manchuria alone hosts 120 million people as of 2011. That`s... a bit more than 60 million. Unless there was a genocide sanctioned by russians everywhere they went, you gotta fix the numbers, man.
Wait-wait... It`s not over. What the hell is Orthodoxy even existing here? Lets look at a quote by Ironhide from his text about The Most Holy Christian Empire: "Founded after the fall of the Western Empire, the Eastern Emperors moved the capital to Iconium, transforming it into a big city. Rather than trying to expand, they tried to develop internally, quickly becoming wealthy and prosperous and defensive. Renowned for their navy, which was by far the strongest in the Mediterranean, they thought it pointless to conquer Phoenicia to be part of the Empire and left it be. However they did capture the Arabian Coast. After the fall if Rome the Papacy moved to Iconium. There was no great schism, and Mass is still celebrated in Latin by all Catholics". You see it?
>There was no great schism
How does orthodoxy even exist then? A quote by Shynka about her muslim RSFSR: "Religion: Shia Islam (60%) Sunni Islam (32%), Atheist (5%)". So, do we see even the slightest bit of ORTHODOXY here? There goes a "No" again. Not only the numbers, but story needs fixing. If you know how to explain a sudden "Wild Orthodoxy appeared!" in your story, please do! It would be very interesting. :3
Yes Manchuria host 120 Million people. Most of them however live in the south in modern times. Heck over half of that live in provinces of the area in which I have no control. Also many of the people living in Manchuria now days are Han immigrants to the area, many who arrived in fairly recent history so given that the Chinese state was unable to assert control over northern Manchuria those immigrants would never have arrived to give the north the population is has today. Also I don't control Xinjiang anyway. Also your using a direct modern equivalent in a situation which is completely different. In OTl they had pull factors to move to Siberia but no push factors. In this timeline they have push factors to avoid persecution by the Muslim Russian Caliph and pull factors to take advantage of religious freedoms they can get in the far east beyond his reach. Also were talking about a movement over the course of probably centuries more than enough time to build up a very large population. Secondly about the existence of Orthodoxy and it's lack of presence in Russia. Did you consider that the reason there are no orthodox worshippers in Islamic Russia is because they have all left. Any who are left could equally just be fibbing about their religion to the people doing the surveys. No demographic data is 100% accurate since people lie so much. Also as to why it exists maybe since it lost contact with the main Christian church in Iconium it has broken away as a result of time to the point that they no longer resemble each other or maybe the lack of support from Iconium for the Christians in Russia led to them breaking away in disgust at their failure to help them. Are you here to argue with me about realism or are you just trying to poke unreasonable holes in perfectly good lore for no good reason. Given everything in this thread they are what you try to poke holes in. Surely you have a better use of your time.
Hi there, guys, I`ve been digging your game up and have some questions to some of you. (Please don`t hit an intruder :3)
So, Shynka`s country. A really interesting muslim USSR idea. The question is: with islam practically replacing orthodoxy in this timeline, cyrillic practically doesn`t make it into extistence? Like, those monks, Kirill and Mefodiy, never visit Rus and thus cyrillic is never created. How do people of PUIR even write then? Do they use old Russian, or did they switch to writing in arabic, or some kind of analogy to cyrillic of this TL (Again, muslimified old Russian)?
Issue number two: lets look up the ministers of PUIR. We got: Vladimir, Jan, Mikhail, Natalia, Boris, Mohammad, Mikhail. Well, Mohammad is naturally the true one even among other muslim names, so it`s fine. Vladimir -- old Russian, fine, too. Boris -- weirdly unknown shit, probably still old Russian, though, so leave it aside. Jan -- Polish were probably conquered sometime in history, later than 9th century, so keeping Jan around is okay. So, we have two Mikhails and Natalia. Greek and Latin. What the hell are they doing in this TL, if Byzantines simply never influenced Rus? Should`ve probably been replaced with some Arab names.
Okay, Thandros... Where do we even start... So, you wanna tell me a nation built of REFUGEES grew to, literally, sixty million people? Well, you might say, that is technically possible. Just depends on how many refugees there actually were, huh? Lets prove it wrong. Siberia + Far East in modern OTL Russia together host about 26,3 million. AND these lands were settled under a special programme, not by refugees! AND a half of the actual thing called "Siberia", according to the map, is the commies` territory. After it you might say, but how about Manchuria and Mongolia, how about Xinjang?! Well, my friend... It would be painful to let you know Manchuria alone hosts 120 million people as of 2011. That`s... a bit more than 60 million. Unless there was a genocide sanctioned by russians everywhere they went, you gotta fix the numbers, man.
Wait-wait... It`s not over. What the hell is Orthodoxy even existing here? Lets look at a quote by Ironhide from his text about The Most Holy Christian Empire: "Founded after the fall of the Western Empire, the Eastern Emperors moved the capital to Iconium, transforming it into a big city. Rather than trying to expand, they tried to develop internally, quickly becoming wealthy and prosperous and defensive. Renowned for their navy, which was by far the strongest in the Mediterranean, they thought it pointless to conquer Phoenicia to be part of the Empire and left it be. However they did capture the Arabian Coast. After the fall if Rome the Papacy moved to Iconium. There was no great schism, and Mass is still celebrated in Latin by all Catholics". You see it?
>There was no great schism
How does orthodoxy even exist then? A quote by Shynka about her muslim RSFSR: "Religion: Shia Islam (60%) Sunni Islam (32%), Atheist (5%)". So, do we see even the slightest bit of ORTHODOXY here? There goes a "No" again. Not only the numbers, but story needs fixing. If you know how to explain a sudden "Wild Orthodoxy appeared!" in your story, please do! It would be very interesting. :3
Also, to Ironhide and his Most Holy Empire. If there was no Schism, it`s called Chalcedonism, not Catholicism. Fix pls, baka!!
Bit of a notification for my nation, I made the explorers Swedish, changed all the references of Canada to Vinland, and made Canadian the equivalent to OTL Québécois.
Yes Manchuria host 120 Million people. Most of them however live in the south in modern times. Heck over half of that live in provinces of the area in which I have no control. Also many of the people living in Manchuria now days are Han immigrants to the area, many who arrived in fairly recent history so given that the Chinese state was unable to assert control over northern Manchuria those immigrants would never have arrived to give the north the population is has today. Also I don't control Xinjiang anyway. Also your using a direct modern equivalent in a situation which is completely different. In OTl they had pull factors to move to Siberia but no push factors. In this timeline they have push factors to avoid persecution by the Muslim Russian Caliph and pull factors to take advantage of religious freedoms they can get in the far east beyond his reach. Also were talking about a movement over the course of probably centuries more than enough time to build up a very large population. Secondly about the existence of Orthodoxy and it's lack of presence in Russia. Did you consider that the reason there are no orthodox worshippers in Islamic Russia is because they have all left. Any who are left could equally just be fibbing about their religion to the people doing the surveys. No demographic data is 100% accurate since people lie so much. Also as to why it exists maybe since it lost contact with the main Christian church in Iconium it has broken away as a result of time to the point that they no longer resemble each other or maybe the lack of support from Iconium for the Christians in Russia led to them breaking away in disgust at their failure to help them. Are you here to argue with me about realism or are you just trying to poke unreasonable holes in perfectly good lore for no good reason. Given everything in this thread they are what you try to poke holes in. Surely you have a better use of your time.
First of all, though you don`t control Xinjang fully, just like with Manchuria, you have its northern part. It is already something.
Question: What is the history of islam in Russia then, according to Shynka? You`re describing Caliph as a "push factor" as if he just ALL OF A SUDDEN appeared and a more or less big christian community, able to build a 60-million-people nation, had to move East, to Siberia. Since Shynka doesn`t yet give any information on this, we`ll be looking onto OTL. Prince Vladimir invites guys from all over to accept a new cool belief. There are almost ZERO christians in Rus at this point. Say, he accepts islam. Where do christians even come from then? Yes, they may have appeared due to trading with The Holy Empire, it`s fine, but not that many that they would be able to build a 60-million-people nation. Srsly.
Might as well be true, but Siberian wastes don`t really have the best conditions as you may see in OTL with Siberia and Far East being 26,3 million people. Some of the regions (Might even tell you A LOT) in Siberia weren`t colonizable with 10th century tech! They weren`t colonizable until 16th-17th century.
Question: Sooo... Orthodoxy just kind of... appears?.. Lets believe your lore and say that there is a large Chalcedonian community in Rus for some reason. Caliph, they be runnin`. In OTL it took Orthodoxy centuries of time, popes` existence, geographical separation and deep ethno-cultural differences to even appear in the first place. If people were moving to Siberia, with a general lack of communication to Iconium, over the case of centuries it would be inevitable that their beliefs would change. BUT why the hell would they turn into orthodoxy? I mean, russians are no greeks, in this TL especially, since they pretty much never contacted and are very likely to write in old russian (No greeks, they ran away from Caliph before everyone started writing in arabic). Disgust towards Iconium`s lack of support to people in thousands of miles away, striving and trying to survive in the deep snows?.. Russians are generally really zealous, and such hardcore conditions would only make the best of it, they`d be praying in RUSSIAN day and night, since most of them probably don`t know latin. Whelp, we see a change of languages, but no icons or anything like that appearing from Greek culture. So?
Question: What is the history of islam in Russia then, according to Shynka? You`re describing Caliph as a "push factor" as if he just ALL OF A SUDDEN appeared and a more or less big christian community, able to build a 60-million-people nation, had to move East, to Siberia. Since Shynka doesn`t yet give any information on this, we`ll be looking onto OTL. Prince Vladimir invites guys from all over to accept a new cool belief. There are almost ZERO christians in Rus at this point. Say, he accepts islam. Where do christians even come from then? Yes, they may have appeared due to trading with The Holy Empire, it`s fine, but not that many that they would be able to build a 60-million-people nation. Srsly.
The thing is the Caliph of Russia is little more than a predecessor to the current Russian socialist state. Therefore we know nothing about it. Therefore I can build my own. For all you know Prince Vladmir doesn't end up really picking a religion and Russia splinters into different states which worship differing religions. Some Muslim and some Christian. The Christians then come those the states of those leaders who accept Christianity and the Muslims ultimately win and the Christians then begin migrating eastwards to avoid the Caliphs grip.
Might as well be true, but Siberian wastes don`t really have the best conditions as you may see in OTL with Siberia and Far East being 26,3 million people. Some of the regions (Might even tell you A LOT) in Siberia weren`t colonizable with 10th century tech! They weren`t colonizable until 16th-17th century.
Question: Sooo... Orthodoxy just kind of... appears?.. Lets believe your lore and say that there is a large Chalcedonian community in Rus for some reason. Caliph, they be runnin`. In OTL it took Orthodoxy centuries of time, popes` existence, geographical separation and deep ethno-cultural differences to even appear in the first place. If people were moving to Siberia, with a general lack of communication to Iconium, over the case of centuries it would be inevitable that their beliefs would change. BUT why the hell would they turn into orthodoxy? I mean, russians are no greeks, in this TL especially, since they pretty much never contacted and are very likely to write in old russian (No greeks, they ran away from Caliph before everyone started writing in arabic). Disgust towards Iconium`s lack of support to people in thousands of miles away, striving and trying to survive in the deep snows?.. Russians are generally really zealous, and such hardcore conditions would only make the best of it, they`d be praying in RUSSIAN day and night, since most of them probably don`t know latin. Whelp, we see a change of languages, but no icons or anything like that appearing from Greek culture. So?
For one you do realize there were people living in Siberia before the lands were colonizable OTL. Equally the migration was state to occur over a long period of time with them only reaching eastern siberia possibly as late as the 16 or 17th century. Also a good chunk of my 60 Million probably in the other attached regions such as Mongolia or Northern Manchuria which could support larger population earlier. Also you assume my Orthodoxy has much in common with OTL orthodoxy I've never stated that. Orthodoxy is term with no religious connotations. It could simply mean that they have embraced a more traditional approach to the religion based more on the bible and as such consider themselves more orthodox than those based out of Iconium. If you really want to pick holes in histories why not focus on some of the other more ridiculous ones.
The thing is the Caliph of Russia is little more than a predecessor to the current Russian socialist state. Therefore we know nothing about it. Therefore I can build my own. For all you know Prince Vladmir doesn't end up really picking a religion and Russia splinters into different states which worship differing religions. Some Muslim and some Christian. The Christians then come those the states of those leaders who accept Christianity and the Muslims ultimately win and the Christians then begin migrating eastwards to avoid the Caliphs grip.
For one you do realize there were people living in Siberia before the lands were colonizable OTL. Equally the migration was state to occur over a long period of time with them only reaching eastern siberia possibly as late as the 16 or 17th century. Also a good chunk of my 60 Million probably in the other attached regions such as Mongolia or Northern Manchuria which could support larger population earlier. Also you assume my Orthodoxy has much in common with OTL orthodoxy I've never stated that. Orthodoxy is term with no religious connotations. It could simply mean that they have embraced a more traditional approach to the religion based more on the bible and as such consider themselves more orthodox than those based out of Iconium. If you really want to pick holes in histories why not focus on some of the other more ridiculous ones.
