Mecca, Medina or Baghdad?

[MattyG]

A pilgrim - more or less a religious 'tourist' if you will - in a Muslim sense, anybody going to Mecca, Medina for Hajj or otherwise, or any shrine for that matter.

Regarding this matter, I have a better suggestion than giving Mecca or Medina a manufactury and that is by making a random event that is marked with "Hajj Season"

"Mecca and Medina are center of the Islamic faith.....etc Text"
Where the player gains a small ducat increase of perhaps +10 coin and some relation boasts.

The only problem with this idea is that every time we add another random event, each event is less likely to happen. Sadly, we cannot increase the rate at which random events occur (you get an unknown chance of having one each 350-450 days). Plus, you can't time random events for a day-date, so the Hajj random event could go off at completely the wrong time of year.

The game currently gives Mecca and Medina more tax value than would be expected for desert to represent the pilgrimage revenues. The only other way to model it would be via 400 events, once each year on the right time for the Hajj. Anyone want to calculate and write those?

 

[loki1232]

Are hajjs at different times each year?
Also, why can't you just copy and paste events? For something like this i might be able to write simple computer program to write the events.

 

[unmerged(55521)]

It surely is not worth to calculate right time of Hajj which is at not the same time according to solar calendar (but in right time acording to lunar).
I offer just BTV if there is no FAA. It will show lesser pilgrimage (umrah) importance too. (Umrah is almost the same Hajj, but not in Hajj time.)
I think that Champa duty (Kovering of Kaaba) could be done two ways:
1) Hard: every 10 years fires event which informs that Champa has this duty and it cost some too. So: -50D, -4BB, +6 misionaries, +25 relationships with diferent muslim countries, +50 relations with Caliphate and owner of Meka.
2) Easy: -1 BTV at Da Lat (where the goods manu is) and possibly -1 gold mine at Tanh Noah. Maybe then still is need some boosts every 50 yeras like those at 1)...

 

[MattyG]

It shorely is not worth to calculate right time of Hajj which is at not the same time according to solar calendar (but in right time acording to lunar).

I agree!

I offer just BTV if there is no FAA. It will show lesser pilgrimage (umrah) importance too. (Umrah is almost the same Hajj, but not in Hajj time.)
I think that Champa duty (Kovering of Kaaba) could be done two ways:
1) Hard: every 10 years fires event which informs that Champa has this duty and it cost some too. So: -50D, -4BB, +6 misionaries, +25 relationships with diferent muslim countries, +50 relations with Caliphate and owner of Meka.
2) Easy: -1 BTV at Da Lat (where the goods manu is) and possibly -1 gold mine at Tanh Noah. Maybe then still is need some boosts every 50 yeras like those at 1)...

-4 BB? You must be kidding. That's a licence to exploit! An event every 10 years to reduce my BB by 4 points for 50 ducats? Score!!!! Start the conqyest rampage, 4 provinces for free each decade! 40 BB reuction every century! Yipee!!!!

OK, hammered you enough on that one. Maybe replace that with -1RR for 6 months each time, to represent calm in the populace.

 

[unmerged(55521)]

-4 BB? You must be kidding. That's a licence to exploit! An event every 10 years to reduce my BB by 4 points for 50 ducats? Score!!!! Start the conqyest rampage, 4 provinces for free each decade! 40 BB reuction every century! Yipee!!!!

OK, hammered you enough on that one. Maybe replace that with -1RR for 6 months each time, to represent calm in the populace.

Just need to be something which reflects prestige.
It is not champa case, but it would be strange disonored scum making covering of Kaaba.

 

[unmerged(16159)]

Chaps,

I have contributed to this thread on the subject of manufactories in dense population / religious centres in another thread. Like everything I do, it's extremely good. :rofl:

 

[unmerged(51285)]

As a side thread to the thread on the placement of FAAs, I had assumed that we would have one in Mecca. But it reading more widely on the subject, the following seems to be the case:

1. Mecca, althoyugh a holy site and the current focus of the hajj for millions of Muslims, was actually not as significant in the middle ages, nor really until the 20th Century. Sacred, absolutely. Muslim only, yes. But that it actually received relatively few pilgrims.

2. Politically, the centr of the Islamic world shifted between Damascus and Baghdad, and these cities saw a great many more pilgrims. Obviously, the different history of Interregnum would mean that Damascus would not have been so central, that it would always have been Baghdad. I had planned in the revision of the Caliphate file to suggest to Calipah that Baghdad begin with an FAA, but for reasons of culture, art, architecture and the libraries and universities there.

3. Medina, now secondary to Mecca in the hajj, was a more significant location for the hajj in the period of EU2, ad perhaps deserves the FAA.

Thoughts please, those with a sounder understanding of Islamic/Middle Eatern history.

Actually, Damascus was the political center of the Islamic empire before Baghdad was.

 

[orimazd]

Just need to be something which reflects prestige.
It is not champa case, but it would be strange disonored scum making covering of Kaaba.

Prestige? All that requires is a good boost for diplo stats.

 

[MattyG]

Actually, Damascus was the political center of the Islamic empire before Baghdad was.

In the RW, yes, but in Interregnum the third crusade was a huge success and Damascus in 1419 is part of Outremer.

 

[unmerged(55521)]

Actually, Damascus was the political center of the Islamic empire before Baghdad was.

Bagdad was build (possibly on/nearby some eraler town or ruins) as capital of caliphate at 762 . Damascus was regional center since then.

 

[unmerged(31994)]

Actually, Damascus was the political center of the Islamic empire before Baghdad was.

Oh really?I didnt know that - must have been sleeping when our history teacher was talking about Muwayia and the fourth Caliph Ali's abdication

Of course Damascus was the center of the Islamic Empire - the UMMAYED EMPIRE - It was choosen for several reasons, most importantly it's large christian population which - well, was a class of burecratic skills needed by the Muslims at the time and was well situated in the middle of the empire. The Abbasids however found their support in iraq amognst the Shia and Alewites - thus their affinity to Iraq. Baghdad , the blossom of their labours would soon become one of the greatest cities in the world greater than Damascus, Alexandria, Cairo , Constantinople and Isfahan put together. 1,400 thousand by most counts was it's population and countless thinkers, scientists and artists have emerged from her graceful bosom.

Regardless, Damascus is under Crusader rule (Which means - Saladin is buried either in Baghdad or Cairo ! )