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HELLO QUITTER

If you play a game, and if it have taken many hours, agreed on playing rules and time, and you brake the house rules, play unserius like USA declere war on UK... or if you quit for no spesific reason, or destroy games in other ways try thinking abaout the player you played whit, and how it woud be for you if som one destroy the game after 5 - 10 or 20 hours.
Some of this players are making me a bit angree, like when they make 40 dissend in ther own contry for long time, just to quit, and when we get an replacement, he get a contry whit 40 dissent. After 10 - 15 hours this is a bit frustrating!

Pleace do not do piracy, and do not play unserius, or brake pree made agreements.


I hope somone shoud had legal right to make a blacklist.



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SummonerPrime


You sure have many good points - i cant agree more.

But still i dont think its right to sign up for a game, with a timeline, wich is confirmed over and over aigen before start. Take over host, change house rules and leave.

Sure You are a good player, im sure you are, and maby a nice person to, but i still think it shoud be used as an example, and an advice to my self and all others, to look extra in the text, and to be sure what you anwser yes to, even when asked to confirm again.

I have no interests in destroying anything for you, not at all, why should i? My only point is that all serious players, should know what they sign up for, and if asked to confirm it, twice, and they do - i think it should be a reasonalbe thing to demand. A problem i think, when saying "yes",
"yes i have answered you on that allready", and then not live up to the agreement. Why just say Yes like that, and then just not care about it.

I can not understand why, im promising the players a serious game, how can i defend that one player just dropped out?
What shall i say to the other players?

Maby its a cultural thing you have over there in Amerika, im not used to it i know, and must admitt i got some disappointed. Im sorry for that. I still think you are a good player, and have no problems playing whit you or anyone else aigan, but i will request that if you play in "my" game, please think about the rules, the rules most probably all the other players there have requested, and agreed on. As host i cant defend somone to brake the rules, the rules all the other players have made, and all have agreed in before start.

I will apologize to the other players, that i could not stand by the guarantee i gave them. I will try to make the game better next time, and will do what i can, to make it more clear for the new players that send me request to join our games, what they actually are commiting them self to.




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High Command
ronhovde@hotmail.com
 
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High Command said:
I hope somone shoud had legal right to make a blacklist.
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Feel free to make your own blacklist, I have one myself.

The best way to avoid quitters (although it's not 100% effective...) is to skip the "pick-up" method on V-net. Get players from this forum or some other forum, where everybody can read and agree on house rules before game. This way you will get players who don't quit, who know the house rules and that can make reasonable strategies before the game starts.
 
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If you are referring to me:

I played for ten hours straight - and Germany was in an amazing position when I left at 4am with 40 Pz divisions 50 Infantry, and 20 CS/Fgt airwings in '38. (Zero dissent, just checked my save) Instead of just working with us to schedule a time to continue High Command, you have to go off on this little temper-tantrum.

This is not about quitters, this is about High Command and complete lack of maturity and his inability to understand games can be continued over the course of a few days. I played ten hours, (we only progressed two years of game time) and was falling asleep at my desk.

I think it is critical for everyone involved in multiplayer games to be REASONABLE in a long game and be willing to continue. Not all games can be played continuously. After I played ten hours, to get on my case because I was not willing to play for 30 hours is simply beyond my understanding. Now, instead of finishing this game later on and having alot of fun, here I am defending myself on the forums.

High Command - you are being just plain stupid. No reason for this at all. The game is not destroyed, as I still have the save and things are fine. If you want to apologize for your crazyness and continue this I'm definitely up for it.
 
High Command,

I love strat games on PC and tabletop, and I have played through the night a few times, but I've got to say that even if somebody agrees to play 12+ hours, if they're falling asleep and non-thinking, you've got to cut them a little bit of slack.

I have never played an even semi-historical HoI 1 or 2 game from 1936 to completion in a single session unless Germany screwed up big-time. You need to plan on playing multiple nights, no matter how long you book, if you're playing '36.

The quitters that ARE a real problem are the ones who drop out after half to 3/4 of an hour for the sole reason that the game isn't going their way. If Italy drops out because the ignited the Fourth Balkan War and they lose some divisions, that's a quitter.
 
1. SummonerPrime not refering to you, so relax
2. Biggest problem is quitters, who destroy the game, like declering war and leve.
3. Its a Big problem aslo whit players that say they are serius, and gonna play a long game, and quit after an hour.

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This is my main opinion on unserius players
 
High Command said:
HELLO QUITTER

If you play a game, and if it have taken many hours, agreed on playing rules and time, and you brake the house rules, play unserius like USA declere war on UK... or if you quit for no spesific reason, or destroy games in other ways try thinking abaout the player you played whit, and how it woud be for you if som one destroy the game after 5 - 10 or 20 hours.
Some of this players are making me a bit angree, like when they make 40 dissend in ther own contry for long time, just to quit, and when we get an replacement, he get a contry whit 40 dissent. After 10 - 15 hours this is a bit frustrating!

Pleace do not do piracy, and do not play unserius, or brake pree made agreements.


I hope somone shoud had legal right to make a blacklist.


High Command
ronhovde@hotmail.com
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Well i agree with your post, but you should hold yourself to the same standards that you hold others.

I was in a game with you last night as Romania. We had a few hangups and you were patient with some of the less mature members of our party, but when i dropped i would have at least expected you all to save and come back to the lobby as we had the previous TWO times.

Maybe its cause i wasnt playing a MAJOR nation that it wasnt worth everyones effort. Not to be arrogant but i could have easily picked one of the majors and steam rolled some of the less experienced players but i thought Romania would be a challangine nation to play in a MP setting. I just find it funny to find this post from you today after experiencing the aforementioned last night.

If its just a case of you all not noticing that i dropped at load up of our save for 20 minuets or so then thats fine, i understand that. If not then it was pretty crappy of you all to not come back to the lobby when i did crash. I waited for quite some time.

So in short, either shame on you, or i apologize for the rant! :rolleyes: :)
 
Did you play with us an dropped?

Did you play with us an dropped?
Then of course we shall go back to lobby, i must apologize so very much on behalf of my self, and im sure also on behalf of the players of that game.
 
High Command said:
Did you play with us an dropped?
Then of course we shall go back to lobby, i must apologize so very much on behalf of my self, and im sure also on behalf of the players of that game.
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You dont remember allying with Romania? You dont remember talking with Romania, trading with Romania, allying with Romania? Seriously?
 
High Command said:
1. SummonerPrime not refering to you, so relax
2. Biggest problem is quitters, who destroy the game, like declering war and leve.
3. Its a Big problem aslo whit players that say they are serius, and gonna play a long game, and quit after an hour.

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This is my main opinion on unserius players
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Well i never quit and i think we had a decent game going until it got out of hand with SU dowing yugoslavia, bulgaria, greece.....SU was just asking for a dow from allies and indeed got one.

In strange situations like that its likely for allies and axis to gang up on aggressive SU.

Not to worry though :) im up for a new game. Maybe we need better rules heh.
 
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High Command, you said to everyone on the forums:

"Then Germany (Summoner / SummonerPrime) decided to quit - leeving the rest of the players whit an Germany not worth having. Nice 9 hours, and great work by Italy and United Kingdom, poor preformence by Germany , (SummonerPrime) who decided to quit before agreed time, dammaging the play, in shuch a degree, that it was unplayeble."

Not only did you post that nonsense here, you even sent out an email to a bunch of people bashing me. My problem with you is that you made up a story which was not true. Germany was in an exellent position when I left, (have the save to prove it) I wanted to continue later, and my gameplay was so bad you told everyone to watch me and learn.

Point is, there is not one true statement in what you said. People need to know that if they play a game with you, you will most likely run around talking nonsense about them for no valid reason. The reason you gave I don't accept, playing ten hours straight is a long time and I could not stay for fifteen.
 
I have nothing to att to my staintment

Im sure we can dissagree and argue abaout true and not true and abaout all other things.

Im sure not going to use my time on that.

I have sended an apologyze to players, thet Germany quited
(i allowed into the game), so thats it.
You may have many opinions, and thats way i postet this, so all can speek free.
I have nothing to att to my staintment (see top) - you are for sure welcom to att wathever you want.
 


Gentlemen,

There are no blacklists on these forums. For forum veterans, this is not new. For those of you new to the Paradox Interactive forums, please let this serve as notice to you.

We have certain forum rules here, and I'd request that you go back through them for clarity.

Paradox Entertainment User Agreement and Forum Rules

The one that applies most in this instance is General Rule #3:

General Rule #3 said:
You will at all times respect and refrain from harassing and/or personally attacking other users or Paradox staff. (This means no blacklists.)
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If you don't like to play with certain people in multiplayer, then don't play with them. Reputations are made over long periods of time. They can be destroyed in an instant.

Generally, situations like these can be avoided by setting out the rules for specific games in advance. You are more than welcome to use the forum to do those kinds of things. Things like who is playing what country, how long you will play, specific rules for the game (US can't DOW before 1941, no French human player, etc), and other general guidelines should all be set up beforehand to ensure that everybody playing is on the same page. Doing that will avoid situations like this.

Additionally, if you are concerned with people who want to play long term and who will agree to your rules, one solution that has worked very well in EU2 multiplayer is to avoid taking random VNET subs with names that you don't recognize from the forums. Tell them to register and post in the forum so there is some accountability on the part of players.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. I wish you good luck and much future enjoyment in your MP experience.

Stonewall.
 
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