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We could still use some backup/reserve players, so post if you are interested. Cable/ADSL is a must, as is ICQ in order to get in touch.

Don't forget to check out the official Minors Game web page created by Aranha:
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0168336901/minors_game.htm

List of players:
Me - Savoy
Aranha - Navarra
Eliasar - Brandenburg
Aryaman - Novgorod
Crinkled Skull - Scotland
Bakito - Lorraine
Mutton - Gelre
Wyvern - Byzantium

Reserves:
Redphoenix - (Bavaria)

Settings are very hard/aggressive, Fog of War ON, no missions, gamespeed 1 minute = 2 months.
 
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I have never played an online Europa-Universalis game before but I am very excited about the opportunity. I've never played the game on a setting of very hard or hard, just normal usually, but I am up for the challenge. I also usually play smaller countries like Munster, Navarra, Genoa, or Venice. So I like how this game is going to be set up with only small countries being played. Unfortunatly I am in North America, but I do have a high speed internset connection. What does the gamespeed 1:2 represent? one minute for every two months or one minute for every two years? Sorry I'm kind of new at this. If you let me in this game I would probably ask to play Venice, but I'm willing to play The Papal States or something else as well.

Hope to be able to play. My email is albert731@yahoo.com. Thank you.
 
Originally posted by albert731
I have never played an online Europa-Universalis game before but I am very excited about the opportunity. I've never played the game on a setting of very hard or hard, just normal usually, but I am up for the challenge. I also usually play smaller countries like Munster, Navarra, Genoa, or Venice. So I like how this game is going to be set up with only small countries being played. Unfortunatly I am in North America, but I do have a high speed internset connection. What does the gamespeed 1:2 represent? one minute for every two months or one minute for every two years? Sorry I'm kind of new at this. If you let me in this game I would probably ask to play Venice, but I'm willing to play The Papal States or something else as well.

Hope to be able to play. My email is albert731@yahoo.com. Thank you.

1:2 = one minute per two months

Myself I have been looking for high speed North Americans so if you are interested see the Germany in Flames thread in my signature. As you have shown interest in Hive's game first please make it your priority, though.:)
 
Hi
I have been away for a while because of a new job and all. I was actually kind of wondering, whether anyone would reply to this at all!:D

Unfortunatly I am in North America, but I do have a high speed internset connection.

Good enough. You are welcome to join. Which country would you like?

Navarra !!
But I need to know playing days...

Well, we need more players before we start - so it will probably not be untill next year. I'll keep you informed. Navarra is an excellent choice! If I take Savoy, we could split France...:)

Btw, I'm kinda buisy untill next year, so don't expect me to post anything before then.
 
albert731, would you mind picking someone else but Venice? They are a bit too large to be a perfect minor after my oppinion. But if it means a lot to you, you may have them.
 
Originally posted by Hive
I suggest (not demand) the following countries:

Papal States or Savoy (I will probably choose one of them)
Navarra
Brandenburg (or a similar German minor)
Lorraine
Scotland or Eire or Brittany
Byzantium (it's a classic:D )
Serbia or Croatia
The Knights of St. John or a Russian minor
One of the major issues with minors is manpower.

As such, Scotland, Eire, Serbia, and Croatia are completely outgunned by the Italian, French, German, and Russian manpowered countries.

(And let's not talk about Lorraine and manpower potential...)

Additionally, Brittany and Navarra can turn into France and a Russian minor into Russia with relative ease, giving an overwhelming superiority in terms of historical leaders.

Though interesting picks for a minors game, long term they are likely very unbalanced choices as far as I can see.
 
Though interesting picks for a minors game, long term they are likely very unbalanced choices as far as I can see.

Like I said, the countries above is only suggestions. I am aware that France and Russia are likely to be reborn, but if the rest of us has problems with that: then we'll just have to intervene! Not a major problem.

As to manpower, I always thought that you got manpower from provinces with the same culture as your state culture. And all of the above suggested countries has a country culture which can be found in many other provinces. Eire, Scotland and Brittany are all Gaelic, so if I'm not completely mistaken, there are actually more Gaelic provinces than Anglosaxon. And as to Serbia and Croatia, there are also a suffecient number of Slavonic provinces (not as many as Gaelic though).

The thing with a minor game is, after all, that it should be more challenging than a game with major manpower and income countries.
 
Originally posted by Hive
Like I said, the countries above is only suggestions. I am aware that France and Russia are likely to be reborn, but if the rest of us has problems with that: then we'll just have to intervene! Not a major problem.
Given that a french minor can usually form France within the first 30-40 years of game play (on very hard in SP), the other nations had better be ready to intervene right away - at a time when they would rather be unifying their own cultural areas, so that sounds like fun! :) I


As to manpower, I always thought that you got manpower from provinces with the same culture as your state culture. And all of the above suggested countries has a country culture which can be found in many other provinces. Eire, Scotland and Brittany are all Gaelic, so if I'm not completely mistaken, there are actually more Gaelic provinces than Anglosaxon. And as to Serbia and Croatia, there are also a suffecient number of Slavonic provinces (not as many as Gaelic though).
Read the manpower FAQ, link in my .sig. You will be enlightened. The only current bug in it (it will be updated once 1.06 comes out) is that the actual manpower gain/year is NOT affected by dp-settings in 1.05 as it should and as the display shows.

And no, you don't only get manpower from state-cultured provinces, but you get much less from non state-cultured provinces, often zero.

And it isn't really the number of provinces with a culture that is the most important for manpower purposes, it is the base manpower of said provinces and their population levels.

The main difference between the cultures mentioned is, that although there may be many Gaelic and Slavonic provinces, their base manpower is usually low, and their population is as well.

Anglosaxon has a total of 40 base manpower, 8 of which comes from Anglia, which will soon pass 200,000 inhabitants leading to the 0.75 category. So expect an actual manpower around 15-25 when unified depending on time. Most of the manpower is in small base-manpower provinces that grant no manpower to non anglosaxon conquerors.

French has a total of 139 Base manpower. Even if all of this was in provinces with less than 20,000 inhabitants (which it is not), a person who controlled it (with French state culture) would have around 35 manpower. In reality, it would be 50+. Most provinces are high base manpower thus granting some manpower to non state cultured conquerors.

Gaelic has a total of 34 Base manpower, and most provinces are at less than 20,000, leading to the 0.25 multiplier for many decades to come. Expect around 10-12 when unified. (And given that the minimum actual gain/year corresponds to 12, that is quite impressive). Low base so no manpower for non state-cultured conquerors.

Italian has a total of 93 Base manpower, most of which is in 20,000 or even 200,000+ provinces, leading to an ungodly manpower of 50-60 when unified. Even if two Italian nations divide Italy between them, they are far ahead of the Gaelic base. High base so some manpower for non state-cultued conquerors.

Slavonic has a total of 27 Base manpower. Even if all these were in 20,000-200,000 provinces (which is not the case), they would grant a total of ~14 manpower. Low base so no manpower for non state-cultured conquerors.


The thing with a minor game is, after all, that it should be more challenging than a game with major manpower and income countries.
The thing with a minor game in Europe is, that if you want the minors to be remotely equal, none of them should have either French, German, Italian, or Russian culture - or all of them should.

I hope I don't sound too much like a deadbeat (too late, I fear), but I just felt like chiming in, having studied the manpower issues of EU2 a bit. :)
 
I appreciate your comments, and I see your logics. Perhaps the Gaelic and Slavonic nations are not that good to play after all. I would like to point out though, that Brittany has both Gaelic and French cultures - so they could still be interesting.

And I although eg Navarra should become France, it isn't given that they would posses all of the French high manpower provinces. After all, Savoy, Brittany and Lorraine has French cultures as well, and would probably want a piece of the cake.;)

Like I said, the minors game is supposed to be more challenging than a "normal" game. And although some of the minors would probably have advantages that some of the others can't enjoy, I really don't think it would matter that much. After all, the majors are not that equal either - so there would be differences no matter which type of game you play.

But if my suggestion of countries are that bad:D, which countries would you suggest then?
 
Originally posted by Hive

And I although eg Navarra should become France, it isn't given that they would posses all of the French high manpower provinces. After all, Savoy, Brittany and Lorraine has French cultures as well, and would probably want a piece of the cake.;)

If we all agree, I will not become France if none of the other minors become... ;)
 
I would play either a minor russian (would that be Moscow at the time?) or Scotland

Novgorod is yours. I think we need at least one more player and the upcoming patch (1.06), then we are good to go.
 
I wouldn't mind playing The Papal States, Genoa, or the Knights. If none of these are good, then pretty much anything you give me would be ok. I just really want to play a game. I would prefer playing the Papal States over any of the others though.
 
I wouldn't mind playing The Papal States, Genoa, or the Knights. If none of these are good, then pretty much anything you give me would be ok. I just really want to play a game. I would prefer playing the Papal States over any of the others though.

Okay, Papal States is yours. But I must warn you: I intend to do my best to conquer the entire Italy!:D