Mission Impossible

[grumbold]

I have noticed that some missions you receive are impossible to achieve. This isn't too bad unless you let your monarch assign you some or the list slowly fills up with too many duff ones. Perhaps the mission scripter needs tweaking and refreshing every once in a while so that the missions you refused to accept for 50 years get replaced by something you might want to consider.

Some impossible missions:
Royal marriage to a country of the wrong faith.
Build a shipyard in a province with insufficient income.
Vasselise a country that can never meet the vassal criteria.

 

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Blame it on the (in)competence of the monarch assigning the missions ;-)

RoB

 

[grumbold]

You might be able to reason with a monarch occasionally and get them to change their mind (or at least wait for a shift in policy when a new monarch is crowned.) The Mission code cannot be bought, cannot be reasoned with and absolutely will not stop assigning you the same duff stuff year after year. If your mission list gets too full of this stuff then there are no 'good' missions you can take to prevent your monarch assigning you bad ones. They will keep assigning you the same bad ones over and over without surcease.

 

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Missions

Along these lines, do most play with 'dynamic' missions on or off?

I've been playing with them on but keep getting absurd (or just plain annoying) mission assignments. If I were to attempt to fulfill most of the missions, I would probably end up as the baddest Bad Boy around. I am thinking of tuning them off. Good idea or bad?

Thanks.

 

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Missions

Monarchs are not always reasonable or rational, and I like the idea of the game not being a cake walk and the missions actually being difficult and not just a way to accumulate a massive amount of victory points.

 

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stupi missions

turn the dyanmic missions off. i think they're some kind of random generator in the game's code that picks whatever mission fancies them.

besides - if it's blatent that the monarch does not know that some missions are ludicrous to assign - then you should take that as a sign that EU needs more work.

i've since turned them off - and my life has been so much better.


Hoan

 

[grumbold]

With badboy in its current form and the occasional dodgy mission it seems prudent to turn off dynamic missions. If certain missions could be permanently removed (at the cost of a 1 time VP penalty) things might not be so bad. If you find the game too easy it does provide an additional challenge though. Win the Grand Campaign while never selecting your own missions and always completing successfully any mission your monarch sets you, no matter what the consequences


Sire, I have bankrupted the nation, destroyed all our research efforts, alienated the entire Catholic world and left us without allies or armies to protect us but the first bottle of Beaujolais Nouveau from this years pressing is yours for the consuming .... now are you really sure you want fresh strawberries in the middle of december or should I do something about the besieging army surrounding the palace first?

 

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Confilicting Opinions

Alright, opposing viewpoints! Hoan for turning dynamic missions off and jfarber for leaving them on.

I agree a bit with both views. So now I don't know what to do. I'll say this, however, in jfarber's favor: I relish the challenge and difficulty offered by EU and am loath to 'dumb it down' or make it easier on myself to achieve victory. Still, stupid mission assignments are quite annoying.

Thanks and best wishes to all.

 

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I think the missions are great, and that some of them may be hard or impossible to fulfill simply feels realistic - kings and queens of the time were fully capable of making decisions and giving orders on a whim without a whit of sense or reason. Just keep ahead of them - always keep at least one mission on, and check the mission list from time to time, to see if it has changed. It feels very fulfilling when you can actually accomplish missions that award a good lump of victory points.

RoB

 

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I found a way to get rid of silly or suicidal missions. Simply always pick one by myself. As long as you have a mission going, the king leaves you to your business. So, as you always may choos an RM mission or a defensive one, you can take them always keep some active. When you start a war to conquer a province and you have an avalilable mission regarding that, pick it up, cross your finger, do what you have to, reap the VP and get promoted

 

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Originally posted by grumbold

Sire, I have bankrupted the nation, destroyed all our research efforts, alienated the entire Catholic world and left us without allies or armies to protect us but the first bottle of Beaujolais Nouveau from this years pressing is yours for the consuming .... now are you really sure you want fresh strawberries in the middle of december or should I do something about the besieging army surrounding the palace first?

Once again, my laughter has leaked out my office door. I'm starting to get some very strange looks at work these days. With the rings under my eyes from lack of sleep, and random laughter I feel like Edward Norton in Fight Club.

I usualy play without any missions, dynamic or picked as the VPs dont mean that much to me. But, I do scan the missions from time to time for inspiration. Now, has anyone managed a Royal Marriage with the Papal States? They've been part of my alliance for 100 years, +200 relationship and I have my best diplomatic monarch on the throne. Is it impossible to marry the Pope's friends?

 

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The thing I don't like about the missions is that their point values seem off. I mean why do you get 20 points for holding a province you already control but only 2 points to pull off a very difficult marriage or take a city.

 

[Griffon]

as Loewefuchs said, if you keep your missions roster with 2-4 missions that you've picked, the moanrch will never assign you ones. As UK, the ones I keep are: keep Calais for 5 years and no French (or Spanish) in the UK for five years. So far so good.

 

[hjarg]

Missions are actually pretty nice things. I fail them constantly and still my head is at my shoulders I serve some very nice monarchs then.

But if i rememer correctly, there is no chance for royal marriage with papal states-> therefore no vassalization option as well. But my monarchs did regularly give me missions to achive rm with papal states or vassalize it.

 

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Seems I answer posts about this at least a few times a week, maby I should highlight it a bit better in my FAQ ...

Anyway, I usually recieve about 1/3 from excecuted missions. They key to this is always to choose your own missions, the AI will only pick a random one for you when you do not have any ongoing missions AT ALL at the trun of the month.
Always keep 1-3 missions running and you won't end up with these undoable missions haunting you.

 

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Well I started with the mssion setting on, But must say, that I soon got bored wih it.

It sounds fun in the beginning, but either drags you into endless wars or is just plain boring (choosing keep xxx every 5 years).

Also mission likes kepp xxx out of xxx are plainly impossible to accomplish within 5 years.

As for historic correctnees, I do believe that your average monarch would use a bit more sense in choosing them, after all not everybody who sat on a throne was a raving madman. Most people either didn't care what happened or listened to theri advisers or had some ideas what was going on themselves.

So turning them off it is here.


Ciao
Kulko

 

[grumbold]

My original point was not about picking 1 or 2 'doable' missions to keep the monarch off your back. That is quite easy until you get stuck with 3 or more that are totally impossible. You complete the possible ones and sooner or later they get refreshed with ones that would cause havoc. Eventually there can be no good options left. That is to a certain extent fine if all the missions made sense, but when some of them are illegal missions it rankles.

 

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It sounds fun in the beginning, but either drags you into endless wars

No it doesn't, it's your choise to wage war or not.

or is just plain boring

Your entitled to have your own opinion, don't just come back crying 'Game is inbalanced, Spain gets too many VPs' if you turn it off.

Also mission likes kepp xxx out of xxx are plainly impossible to accomplish within 5 years.

No they are not, I regularly rake in the 50 VPs for them. It's just about timeing it right when to choose them.

As for historic correctnees, I do believe that your average monarch would use a bit more sense in choosing

That is just a game text when you have faild to choose a mission and get a random one.
Don't read too much into it.
You are supposed to choose them yourself. It's a legacy from the BG that where present to make it possible to win on VPs by other means then conquest alone.

The missions represent diffent things that was/would be important for your country to accieve historically. Turning it off IMO turns the game into relative mindless conquest game. Picking up a mission and trying to accomplish it might make you venture down a path you would never have tried out otherwise.

 

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Grumbold

Well, why not?
All the mission system would be senseless if all the missions are easy, and even if possibile. If you pick yours, you can have most of them doable and you can pick the VP. But you MUST have some really tough, or even autolesionistic ones: yours is the choice to accomplish them, and face the consequences or decline and lose some VP.
What fun will be, if you can simply act with care, following your general plans and never been distracted?
An example: as Prussia (Prussia/Wales GC, 1584) I am concentrated on uniting the Protestant front (diplo annexed Sachsen, Hannover and Thuringen, allied with Hansa, Holland and England) of the north, keeping down Poland (annexed Danzig, Posen, western Prussia and Krakow, so they are not a big problem by now), and expanding south against filthy Papists. Other part of this scheme are blocking French expansion in the west (which I am managing by diplomatic means).
Now the king commited me to drive the Spaniard off Caribbean. Ouch. But I'triyng, even if I know that it is a desperate mission, just because history is made also by strategical errors. And, who knows? Maybe it could turn good, and be the first stone of a colonial empire.
IMHO, without this missions, you would simply build all of your efforts in a straight direction, but history is never so straightforward.

 

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Eventually there can be no good options left

There always are at least a defend one of your provinces mission, so what you are stating never happens.